Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-wiki (116 mails)

[Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Adrian! Rocky! Adrian! Rocky! Adrian,

On 05/25/2010 08:53 AM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

> While try to use the wiki these days I run into several issues. 

Oh my...

> As far as I understand the en.o.o is about to go away. So I need to add new 
> stuff
> to wiki.o.o, right ?

If you want to help with the transition yes. We're not there yet so
currently the old and the new one run side by side. We are trying to get
it into a state to publish it. wiki.opensuse.org is temporary.

> My problem starts that I don't find my pages anymore. I still need en.o.o just
> to find the pages, because I don't find anything usefull via the wiki.o.o 
> search
> due to the new layout.
>
> Try to search for "Build Service" or "Build Service Concepts". Both works 
> great in
> en.o.o wiki, but wiki.o.o search does not deliver a single entry which makes 
> sense to me
> due to the new layout.

The search is not searching all the namespaces it has to, that a missing
feature/bug. It's supposed to search main and Portal: and if you use
this search form:

http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?search=&ns0=1&ns102=1&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search

it will find "Build Service" or "Build Service Concepts" on Portal:Build
Service.

> Another problem is that the Concept page works via category lists now.
> This is less ovious to use and frankly, I consider that these were pages 
> which I and other
> wiki novice users do maintain. This does increase the hurdle for us to 
> add/modify concept
> pages.

If you go to the history page of openSUSE:Build_Service_Concepts  you
will find who implemented it this way. You should talk to Tom :)

> Frankly, I stopped working on the wiki pages since wiki.o.o exists, since I 
> lost completly 
> the overview what is going on. But since the wiki is our main documentation 
> point this is no
> longer a solution for us.

C'mon because you don't invest 5 minutes to find out about search
options and because someone (that sits 4 offices down the floor and goes
to lunch with you all the time) used a more advanced wiki feature on a
page and you don't like it, you stop working with the wiki? Aren't you a
little bit dramatic? :)

> I need also to know which links will break when wiki.o.o will become the 
> default one.
> Will en.o.o go away? Will wiki.o.o get moved?

Once we release, wiki.o.o will be en.o.o again. Like i said, wiki.o.o is
temporary. What is now on en.o.o will be legacy.o.o (or something) for a
couple of months so we can rescue content that we missed during the
transition.

> If something like this happens will break all our links in our OBS products.

Jepp. How many links are we talking about? Shouldnt be that many right?
You will have to push an update with this sorry. We are really trying to
create a new wiki that is usable even if that means we have to fix other
stuff.

> Please tell if you think we missuse wiki/en.opensuse.org for OBS

Of course not. The wiki is the main source of information about the
openSUSE project and distribution. The OBS is a major part of our project.

> actually we plan to add way better integrated help links, which is
> currently blocked by the unknown state of the wiki.

[...]

> PS: sorry if I sound a bit negative, but it really blocks OBS release
> atm.

I'm glad you came out of the closet then. What is blocking you exactly?
I'm confident we can help you.

> In that case we need to setup our own wiki, where we can rely on.

Don't get stupid with us Adrian :) Just work with us. OBS is very
important but a good wiki is too. So lets work together on resolving
this instead of throwing dirt around should we? Please.

Henne

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