Rajko,
first of all, thanks for your input on this. That said, please see my
answers inline.
2010/4/16 Rajko M.
On Monday 12 April 2010 02:00:57 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
To be able to adopt the new structure concept we're currently creating at wiki.opensuse.org I herewith request a new temporary instance de.wiki.opensuse.org.
Sincerely you need features that has wiki.opensuse.org in de.o.o not a new wiki instance. This will be short way to have articles that are already in place on de.o.o (and en.o.o) indexed in the way new wiki instance allows.
That way we can have instant improvement and time to use new wiki instance for research of new tools, which is language independent process, so there is no need for more wiki.o.o versions. The only extra work for that is to copy wiki.o.o configuration to old wikis. Our server admin can do that in a jiffy. My humble estimate is half of hour to pick pieces from wiki.o.o and apply to old wikis (all of them).
*** We need one instance for research. ***
I can't understand how endless blind chicken tactics to find the food (try and see) will bring any solution that we can actually use? I'm wondering how many more skilled openSUSE users we can activate if we have research instance and all features on language wikis?
I'm not on the same page as of the "de.o.o with features from wiki.o.o VS de.wiki.o.o" decision. We have to hold a strong timeline (June 1st 2010) for both the English and the German Wiki and after investigating the situation, de.wiki.o.o is required to be able to fully parallelize the process for our workforce we put upon this effort. Starting with a fresh instance and populate it with content (according to the new wiki.o.o structure) is the way to go here (just for the German Wiki, I do not propose this for every language wiki out there. Local maintainers should decide which road to go here). According to henne, the master = wiki.o.o is almost ready for production use. Thus we do not need a plain testing instance for another few months and can start copying what we have into a German transition instance = de.wiki.o.o in order to do the very same transition process as with the English master wiki. Actually the German Reviewing efforts even outperformed the English ones and we're in desperate need of de.wiki.o.o there. Also, we won't manage to transfer the whole English and German wikis to their new instances until June 1st 2010 and thus both former de.o.o and en.o.o will be kept intact as a temporary archive once DNS are switched and content isn't migrated 100%. We need to push the new wikis out to the general public in time though in order to utilize the momentum the release of 11.3 will offer to the openSUSE project. The contributing situation is at best semi-optimal currently (especially for the English wiki) and we're not able to afford another few months of discussions and poking around without presenting something to the community that is worth it participating and gaining NEW contributors to the Wiki.
Bento theme will be operational in some future. Where we are going to test that?
I guess that Robert will need quite some time to create CSS for all servers that are in use by openSUSE. It is awful lot of elements to create, then we have to test that and allow some time to debug. When theme is operational we have to write docs how to use it. We will have that in a more then a year. It is just huge change.
We can profit if current skin is improved, which is much lesser work.
As it is now, we have to rush making some new mistakes and repeating some old in a new way.
Example of old mistake in a new way is cramming few different things that require different tools in one name space, this time it is openSUSE, as it was Main in old wiki version. Tools in MediaWiki can be turned on and off per namespace, so piling up all in one will bring the same problem we have, lack of flexibility.
Old mistake in a new way is elimination of support and introduction SDB as user path to search for support. Check left column of http://wiki.opensuse.org/ Discover it *Distribution *Support database *Project *Wiki *Contact *Sitemap
We don't have SDB. How long it will take to create one? Then how long it will take to teach all of our users including new ones what means SDB. They know kb (knowledge base) and even more know support, but not many know what means cool acronym SDB.
The rest you mentioned I will answer when I get time. The end of the week is just too short and can bring more pain with rushed half baked decisions.
While you bring up some valid ideas here, this all isn't first glance scope of the problem with the German Wiki and the Multi-Language Concept. We'll decide on the fly how to deal with these once we move forward. I noted before and I respectfully ask again for it: "Please focus on show-stopping aspects". Time is pressing and we need to move forward.
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