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RE: [suse-security] The future of Linux
- From: "Bob Radvanovsky" <rsradvan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:18:37 -0500
- Message-id: <200507011437.j61Ebbcq004177@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Actually....McAfee just came out with an AV product that's LINUX-based. My
company utilizes McAfee enterprise-wide and has considered using their LINUX
product, too. I cannot say how good or awful it is, but at least wanted to
state that there are alternatives. McAfee did have, for a while, a *FREE*
evaluation of their LINUX-based product. I don't know if it is still
available or not, but it is worth checking out.
I've been doing LINUX since 1995-96 and UNIX since 1978. The very thing
that Microsoft is concerned about is market share, plain and simple, which
is (and should be) the primary focus of any given business. UNIX and LINUX
(both) have been gaining popularity because of its diversity, stability and
ease-of-use (overall). I would garner wages against any Microsoft systems
administrator who tells me that administering Microsoft Windows is "easy" --
it isn't. I work for a "Microsoft shop", and of the 450+ servers that we
have, roughly 2/3 to 3/4 of them are Windows-based in some form or another.
Microsoft's products have become convoluted and complicated in their efforts
of "keeping up with the Jones" (so to speak). Most LINUX architectures
include just about everything under the sun, from DNS, to web services, to
application development, and more. Each and every item that I mentioned
there, Microsoft offers, too -- but for a price. Microsoft wants domination
of the market -- and it has been stated repeatedly over the years.
The few areas that Microsoft lacks (or should I say, continues to lack in),
is "security" (overall). They didn't have an anti-spyware offering, so they
offered one now by buying GIANT (while, BHTW, is a very good product). AV
is another thing they lack in. Their ISA server (their supposed-firewall)
is a joke and can be easily overtaken, but their point is to provide
"minimal security". Look at any given federal government or military
installation. Anything that *requires* secured connections, secured
computing, etc. -- is NOT executed under a Microsoft platform or application
(although Microsoft does run in some places, overall it's non-Microsoft).
It's UNIX, or AIX, or Solaris, or... LINUX.
But going back to the discussion about Sybari, it's sad to see another
company get gobbled up by the big, bad, ole Microsoft. Another brick on the
wall has been taken down (or put up, depending on your perspective)...
Don't fret. There are enough of us who give a durn who WILL NOT give up to
the likes of Microsoft. If one looses to Microsoft, another 1 or 2 popup in
its place. LINUX is growing in popularity too much for the likes of
Microsoft to rule over. Besides...with any company, at some time, has to
find new means of reinventing themselves. Microsoft's feabile attempt is
just that -- because NONE of what Microsoft does (or has EVER done) is
innovative. They just steals from others -- remember that.
The bigger that are (or get), the faster they fall...
-rad
P.S. I have been a HUGE advocate of SuSE for almost 10 years now. Even
though I use Red Hat's Fedora Core 3 (which works quite nicely), if I want
*stability* I use SuSE. My first legal release of SuSE purchased was back
in 1995, and was version 5.1. I currently have 9.2.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Venter [mailto:andrev@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:52 AM
To: Janvier Anonical; suse-security@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [suse-security] The future of Linux
Hi
Clam Anti Virus or Antivir Are two options.
----- Original Message -----
From: Janvier Anonical
To: suse-security@xxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:07 PM
Subject: [suse-security] The future of Linux
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I have read that Microsoft has bought Sybari and discontinued its
anti-virus support for UNIX and Linux. It seems Microsoft views Linux as a
real threat. Since Sybari is out, what would be an alternative for Linux
users with regards to anti viruses?
- --
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows
box, you just need to work on it. - Scott Granneman, Security Focus
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company utilizes McAfee enterprise-wide and has considered using their LINUX
product, too. I cannot say how good or awful it is, but at least wanted to
state that there are alternatives. McAfee did have, for a while, a *FREE*
evaluation of their LINUX-based product. I don't know if it is still
available or not, but it is worth checking out.
I've been doing LINUX since 1995-96 and UNIX since 1978. The very thing
that Microsoft is concerned about is market share, plain and simple, which
is (and should be) the primary focus of any given business. UNIX and LINUX
(both) have been gaining popularity because of its diversity, stability and
ease-of-use (overall). I would garner wages against any Microsoft systems
administrator who tells me that administering Microsoft Windows is "easy" --
it isn't. I work for a "Microsoft shop", and of the 450+ servers that we
have, roughly 2/3 to 3/4 of them are Windows-based in some form or another.
Microsoft's products have become convoluted and complicated in their efforts
of "keeping up with the Jones" (so to speak). Most LINUX architectures
include just about everything under the sun, from DNS, to web services, to
application development, and more. Each and every item that I mentioned
there, Microsoft offers, too -- but for a price. Microsoft wants domination
of the market -- and it has been stated repeatedly over the years.
The few areas that Microsoft lacks (or should I say, continues to lack in),
is "security" (overall). They didn't have an anti-spyware offering, so they
offered one now by buying GIANT (while, BHTW, is a very good product). AV
is another thing they lack in. Their ISA server (their supposed-firewall)
is a joke and can be easily overtaken, but their point is to provide
"minimal security". Look at any given federal government or military
installation. Anything that *requires* secured connections, secured
computing, etc. -- is NOT executed under a Microsoft platform or application
(although Microsoft does run in some places, overall it's non-Microsoft).
It's UNIX, or AIX, or Solaris, or... LINUX.
But going back to the discussion about Sybari, it's sad to see another
company get gobbled up by the big, bad, ole Microsoft. Another brick on the
wall has been taken down (or put up, depending on your perspective)...
Don't fret. There are enough of us who give a durn who WILL NOT give up to
the likes of Microsoft. If one looses to Microsoft, another 1 or 2 popup in
its place. LINUX is growing in popularity too much for the likes of
Microsoft to rule over. Besides...with any company, at some time, has to
find new means of reinventing themselves. Microsoft's feabile attempt is
just that -- because NONE of what Microsoft does (or has EVER done) is
innovative. They just steals from others -- remember that.
The bigger that are (or get), the faster they fall...
-rad
P.S. I have been a HUGE advocate of SuSE for almost 10 years now. Even
though I use Red Hat's Fedora Core 3 (which works quite nicely), if I want
*stability* I use SuSE. My first legal release of SuSE purchased was back
in 1995, and was version 5.1. I currently have 9.2.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Venter [mailto:andrev@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:52 AM
To: Janvier Anonical; suse-security@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [suse-security] The future of Linux
Hi
Clam Anti Virus or Antivir Are two options.
----- Original Message -----
From: Janvier Anonical
To: suse-security@xxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:07 PM
Subject: [suse-security] The future of Linux
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
I have read that Microsoft has bought Sybari and discontinued its
anti-virus support for UNIX and Linux. It seems Microsoft views Linux as a
real threat. Since Sybari is out, what would be an alternative for Linux
users with regards to anti viruses?
- --
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows
box, you just need to work on it. - Scott Granneman, Security Focus
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