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Re: [suse-security] Run-level editor in 8.0
- From: Markus Gaugusch <markus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:56:27 +0200 (CEST)
- Message-id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205061451420.22018-100000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Steve wrote:
> I too am uncomfortable with the "behind scene" changes. Yast is a good tool
> for SuSE installed apps. But when you f.ex. prefer a newer Samba you are in
> trouble if you install from source and then accidentally run automatic online
> update. You hose your samba install. True, it would be MY mistake, but why
> allow it in the first place. On any scripts/pgms I write I take these kinds
> of things into consideration which makes it overall safer to administer.
Installing from source brings you to hell - sooner or later. You should AT
LEAST try to build your own RPM's that fit into the system's package
management. And talking about online update: My YOU replacement
(www.gaugusch.at/fou4s) supports notification and ignoring of named
packages. Maybe you should give it a try.
> The best solution would be if you could turn off modules in Yast where you
> prefer to configure things manually. Then whatever you did, or some jr admin,
> it would not hose the system. This kind of problems always happen when you
> automate. You gain here and loose there.
How about a decent backup system?
> SuSE is really pretty OK as long as you stick to their install.
You should stick to their package system (RPM), and everything will be
fine. For example, I compiled Gnome-Toaster 1.0Beta5 on my system (7.3).
During update, I was asked if I wanted to replace it by 1.0Beta2 (which is
delivered with 8.0) - of course not, but isn't it niiiiice? :)
> So I can
> easily agree with the desktop feel that previous email spoke about. I've been
> oscillating on going back to RH on servers for that reason.
A few months ago I self-compiled a kernel on a redhat machine. The f*cking
online update didn't want to update PHP4 because of broken dependencies!
Those "§$)= people include the kernel in their online-update dependencies
... ha! very nice - NOT :(
Markus
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> I too am uncomfortable with the "behind scene" changes. Yast is a good tool
> for SuSE installed apps. But when you f.ex. prefer a newer Samba you are in
> trouble if you install from source and then accidentally run automatic online
> update. You hose your samba install. True, it would be MY mistake, but why
> allow it in the first place. On any scripts/pgms I write I take these kinds
> of things into consideration which makes it overall safer to administer.
Installing from source brings you to hell - sooner or later. You should AT
LEAST try to build your own RPM's that fit into the system's package
management. And talking about online update: My YOU replacement
(www.gaugusch.at/fou4s) supports notification and ignoring of named
packages. Maybe you should give it a try.
> The best solution would be if you could turn off modules in Yast where you
> prefer to configure things manually. Then whatever you did, or some jr admin,
> it would not hose the system. This kind of problems always happen when you
> automate. You gain here and loose there.
How about a decent backup system?
> SuSE is really pretty OK as long as you stick to their install.
You should stick to their package system (RPM), and everything will be
fine. For example, I compiled Gnome-Toaster 1.0Beta5 on my system (7.3).
During update, I was asked if I wanted to replace it by 1.0Beta2 (which is
delivered with 8.0) - of course not, but isn't it niiiiice? :)
> So I can
> easily agree with the desktop feel that previous email spoke about. I've been
> oscillating on going back to RH on servers for that reason.
A few months ago I self-compiled a kernel on a redhat machine. The f*cking
online update didn't want to update PHP4 because of broken dependencies!
Those "§$)= people include the kernel in their online-update dependencies
... ha! very nice - NOT :(
Markus
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