Hi, here in Austria (and probably in Germany too) we have a data protection law that makes most logfiles illegal. Only data necessary for billing and technical aspects my be logged. So I act illegal like every other ISP and internet related company. The prosecution authorities seem to cooperate with the ISPA (ISP Association) in a questionable and probably illegal way. (The ISPA was funded after the prosecution authorities shut down an ISP in an illegal way) There are evidences, that members of the ISPA gave information in an illegal context to investigation authorities that lead to the arrest to criminals like virus/worm authors and such. The politicians seem not to care about ISPs or the (independent) internet at all, in fact the former telephony monopolist has strong support from the gouvernment and that has not changed, even after a new political party became a member of the gouvernment. So they had no problem establishing laws that take all the ISP/inernet related companies out of bussines and transfer the customers to the former monopolist. I will keep my logs and give acces to them only upon a judges order in the context of a lawsuit. Of course I have my siutcase packed to be ready to leave the country fast ;). After all, the current documents in relation to the ETSI publications seem to indicate they are targeted against backbone equippment to provide user profiles (for now). The words of the documents if transferred to local laws unchanged will open easy ways to "real time" onlinen access requrements to logfiles. In that case I have to transfer my servers to somewhere outside the EU, because I cannot pay the additional transfercost (given that the per MB cost are relative high here). From teh technical point of view I could duplicate the logfiles, one with access of the law enforcment agencies, one without. mike