i am personally a big fan of subject prefixes, especially when i tell procmail to route several mailing lists into one folder. so whenever there is a list that does not have one, i add it with sed: :0 fh * ^Sender.*owner-accu-general@accu.org * ! ^Subject.*[accu-general] | sed -e "s/accu-general:/[accu-general]/gi" now, this is like converting all arriving mail to html when reading and it solves the problem quite nicely for me. so suse-security couldd remove the prefix and ask each who likes it to put it in themselves. this would definitely be more preferable than removing it. it also saves 15 bytes of bandwidth :) martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@@@@.net -- ever wondered whether schroedinger is dead? have you seen him?