Hi, On 03/20/2016 02:29 PM, Christian Boltz wrote:
We discussed the shape of how we'd like to see the wiki We all agreed want to see a big tidy up. Many of the Portals have little benefit and serve little purpose. We want to see the namespaces removed/flattened to help the search Please don't confuse the search with the wiki layout ;-) Probably "navigation" is a better word in this context? Software search would continue as it is...but we considered some problems with that The current implementation of One-Click installs is often dangerous. Because they add all the repos setup in the OBS repo you often end up with crazy things like Factory:ARM repos being added on systems where they are not relevant Furthermore, making it very easy to install packages from 'non-official' repos dramatically reduces the motivation and impetus for developers to put their packages in the Distribution Having packages in the Distribution though is the best way to ensure your package works, is tested, and is integrated So we would like to see One Click only pulling from the official repos If Packages are not in the official repos, we would like the software search to put users in touch with devel project maintainers to encourage the packages be added to the distributions I understand the goal, but this sounds like it would make things harder for users. Even if a user can encourage a package maintainer to submit a
Am Sonntag, 20. März 2016, 13:31:18 CET schrieb Richard Brown: package to the distribution, it can (for Leap) take months until that package is officially available as part of the distribution.
That completely breaks the idea of being user-friendly ;-) People who are searching for a package need it *now*, not after a long fight ;-) with the maintainer. I'd guess most of them don't really care if the package comes from the official repo or from home:donttrustme ;-)
Counter-proposal: get download statistics (for both one click install and "normal" repo usage) and contact the maintainers of the most popular packages to get those packages added to the distribution.
It might also be a good idea to make the download statistics of each package visible on build.o.o. [Intro: I'm opensuse user since ~ one month, used debian and linux mint before but have longer experience with them.]
This is also a big topic for ubuntu (called PPAs there) and in general everyone recommends not to use PPAs. Third party sources provide current software, which is not as good tested and stable as software that is available in the official repositories. Thus these repos are only for devs and testers. All others should not use them, this is also what supporters (including me) advice users. There are often problems with third party repos, which could be easily solved for experienced users, but not for normal ones. Additionally, the user hast to trust fully trust the maintainers of all repositories I have activated. This is - at least for me - a big issue. For this reason I yet hesitated to add more repos though I would like to use some software only available there. The packages in official repositories are all aligned, as opposed to unofficial repos. Things can break in unofficial repos, but they should never do so in official ones. You say that users don't care where packages come from. Maybe some, but not all. I, for example, do so. I welcome improvements in this topic, having more software directly in official (default) repositories! Sebastian -- python programming - mail server - photo - video - https://sebix.at cryptographic key at https://sebix.at/DC9B463B.asc and on public keyservers