On 14/12/15 21:07, Richard Brown wrote:
On 14 December 2015 at 10:53, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz> wrote:
On Monday 14 of December 2015 10:21:19 Richard Brown wrote:
On 14 December 2015 at 07:51, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz> wrote: [pruned]
Don't shoot the messenger, and as you clearly didn't know about this situation The quotes you presented only confirm that what you wrote is your
... personal interpretation and the actual situation is different. The future of Evergreen 13.1 after November 2016 is still open and depends on contributors joining the effort. Statements like "There will be no Evergreen 13.1 after November 2016." from someone in your position can be extremely harmful. I said, and I quote from my mail from 19 hours ago
"I know that Evergreen 13.1 will die in November 2016 unless other people step in to do the work which Wolfgang is currently doing"
I understand that you would prefer everyone moving to Tumbleweed or at least (latest) Leap - but you should restrain yourself from abusing your role to actively discourage people from participating in projects just because they are incompatible with your personal views and wishes. With power, responsibility comes - and Board chairman should be responsible enough to restrain oneself from this kind of manipulation. My responsibilities includes supporting and communicating the decisions made by this community
Right now, the decisions made by our contributors, will lead to Evergreen ending on November 2016
I am in no position to challenge that, and yes, I have no interest myself in doing anything about that..if I did, I would be volunteering to help
If people want to change things, they can, I and no one else can stop them, but they need to understand what the current situation is..and that is what I have done here
I don't see how I could do it any differently
Being silent would be unhelpful - Axel and others would continue under the impression that Evergreen has a likelihood of continuing after November 2016.
Encouraging others to step in would be dishonest - It goes against what I think is best for the Project
[pruned] quote It goes against what I think is best for the Project unquote And there's the rub. You are not elected by the Community members to the Board. You are an unelected appointee by SUSE to the OpenSUSE Community Board and as such represent in the first instance SUSE's interests. There are other Board members who are elected, and have been elected, and yet you seem to have usurped the task of them speaking for themselves. Do you speak on all of their behalves? I (?we) do not know. If it is the case -- that you have been chosen to speak on all their behalves -- then it would be very nice to know that this is the case and you should have begun by stating -- or at this stage, which is not too late, to advise here -- that you speak on behalf of all the members of the Board. However, if I recall correctly, you did mention in one of your posts that you were expressing your own opinion - and on matters which appear to be out of your main sphere of responsibility (apart that is from representing SUSE's interests): the latest wiki (https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board) states that you are, ".... involved as a maintainer of GNOME and the openSUSE branding packages, and working on packaging Spacewalk for openSUSE. ". While you are quite welcome to express your opinions as an ordinary user of openSUSE you nevertheless have referred to yourself as the chairman of the Board (see above) which throws a totally different perspective on what you express and therefore what people conclude from your utterings. Now, I do not have an intimate -- or otherwise -- knowledge of the workings of openSUSE or its relationship with SUSE and how the distro is "put together" and to date I, or anyone else I suspect, have not had to ask about this relationship because the progress of openSUSE has been harmonious until now, but to me it seems that your job description with SUSE, that of being employed as SUSE's "QA Engineer", confines you to worrying about quality assurance -- the pre-activity to quality control -- but not to how, say, repositories are managed and whether openSUSE 13.2 should be followed by openSUSE 13.3 or whether fonts used in openSUSE should be XXXX or YYYY. To me the wherefore of, say, how repositories should be managed is the responsibility of Stephan Kulow and Stephan alone. What fonts should be used in openSUSE is a matter for the Community to decide and not for SUSE's appointee to the Board to waste time on as the "QA engineer". The above, of course, is based on my own experience gained some years ago when working with computer programmers and computer programs designed to achieve an effective and gainful result but things may have changed in most recent years and so I can only state that what I just expressed is my opinion and is not meant to be offensive, discourteous, impertinent, rude or offending. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org