On 12 December 2015 at 12:40, jdd
Le 12/12/2015 12:08, Richard Brown a écrit :
- Evergreen 13.1 only has a planned support period of January 2016 to November 2016.
(I agree with the rest of your mail)
may be our work could be to make shift to Leap easier. I mean better doc, may be upgrade scripts (Wagon??).
Wagon was never supported for openSUSE and is no longer supported for SLE. It is also irrelevant as this discussion includes additional repositories, and wagon used to remove all repositories that weren't part of the main distribution :)
the problem is not upgrade but problems coming during upgrades, so if we can make this a bare minimum, we can go on.
for example, could we could collect the "zypper lr" of interested people, eventually build a common VirtualBox test appliance...
and write accurate doc of how to go from one to the other?
Adding repositories to your machine makes it in many respects 'unsupported' and 'unsupportable' - it adds complexity, that complexity makes it very hard to write accurate, meaningful documentation, because you can very easily add stuff to your system that would invalidate what is intended by the distribution Also, when doing an upgrade, you might no longer need the repositories you have added previously, because the new version (Leap) obviously has newer stuff in it than 13.1.. so the idea of automatically upgrading to repositories should not even be considered - Why invalidate your system needlessly? Therefore, the best we can do is give general advice, which is what we do Upgrading from 13.1 to Leap is easy as long as you're on a x86_64 system. If you're on a 32-bit system, my advice is to either reinstall (if your hardware supports 64-bits) or purchase hardware which does support 64-bits and do a fresh install there There's two perfectly supported upgrade methods 'Offline' and 'Online' Offline - Insert Leap 42.1 DVD - Pick Upgrade - Allow the upgrade to remove all the repositories - Only add back the ones you are sure you need (the less, the better) - Upgrade..done Online (aka Zypper dup) This is more complicated, and should only be done if you really need to do the upgrade without turning off the machine And is documented here - https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade Really, we have valid, easy, supported upgrade mechanisms, people need to use them and if they find things that don't work or they think they can make better, they need to file bugs or send in pull requests so we can make it better..pretty tired with hearing 'upgrades are hard' without any real explanation of how we could make it better..especially when I've seen many, many, many, maaaaany upgrades to Leap now just work out fine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org