Sorry Richard. I'm just a desktop user. I'm not a power user. There are plenty of openSUSE users who are not power users. We just want a stable and functional systems. Yes we can manage our systems most of the time. But we are not power users. I rarely use the CLI. I use YAST. I am not familiar with the intricacies of the CLI. I am not alone. Richard. Don't toss us under the bus. We've been using opneSUSE for years and years. Steven -- ____________ Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Owner Flex-1500 and Flex-3000 Flex-6300, FT-857D, FT-817ND openSUSE Linux 13.1 KDE, Tumbleweed KDE with Packman Known as FlameBait and The Sock Puppet of Doom. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org