Isn't it possible to change the "just do it" ? (@Henné, of course) to find a new boosting sentence ? longer mail ... couldn't be avoid ;) OK a geek is used to work a lot alone ... but for sure most f us are here to share, collaborate, pair-program or brainstorm a new sorftware. But "Co is King". Coworking, coproduction, cocréation... (I read that a few weeks ago) and a community project (in theory for sure we all agree) depend on marketing and design too ... Marketing IS NOT just writing a blog or an article ... (!!) Sharing a new on linkedin can be part of marketing, but marketing is not just a "shit" todo boring list ... I deeply believe that any "shit todo" can become FUN as soon as we are a group having fun - co-acting ! So on this project mailing list ... we should be able to share ideas too, as : I have an idea of ... without being sure to get a : go and do it ... ALONE ! oh that's the fun ! this is a great way to bring all members/contributors to the silence. (kinda : do it or shut up) great meritocracy ;-) I'm sure it's not what you were wishing ... in 2011, an openSUSE team went for a marketing week in LA (travel and hotel paid) - and they did produce a lot (as well as articles, design, ideas and fun) - and each of them were very tired at the end but they (quite sure) all keep a great memory of that. Marketing & design IS not saying "just do it". It's a group work, team, fun ... or it's not, and nothing. We (as a community) have to change first our way of seing things before things will change ... or not. Isn't it possible to change the "just do it" ? and (by the way) "we never find contributors to do the shit ?" PS - Message to the elder (wise) members : In all group and community, a few people influence the community (and openSUSE is not an exception). You can easily do the list (= the 5 to 10 members/contributors that you decide to read when they talk on the mailing list like Henné, Kulow, Cornelius etc......). You, the "(wise) elder influenced openSUSE guys", even if you have very less time for that, have a responsability in the "project future", you (conscious or not) give the global mood on this mailing list ... we love to believe that we are an open community, but concretely, we just use very traditional human habits. When one wish to evolve (and we can prefer to regress) ... the "just do it" ... is like "leave us work" - "we have no time for abstract ideas with no future" - "do what you want, as long as we can go on our job" etc ... I say it ... I just do it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org