On 09/06/15 16:43, Klaas Freitag wrote:
Sure, thanks for asking back. Sorry for being over sensitive to that, but I would hate to be monitored how many mails I send, forum posts, package submits, friendly hugs, yelling to, lines committed etc pp.
There are a plenty of reasons why I do not like that: - Usually its not clear what is monitored. - It is usually unclear who has access to the data - Alone the knowledge that something is monitored is influencing peoples behaviour: "oh, I need two more package submissions to be ok to vote...". That is not what I want to have in sparetime activity. Either people do stuff because they love it or leave it.
But there are bigger problems: From experience it shows that conclusions that were drawn from data collections are mostly wrong. "Oh, Klaas does a lot of C++ lines, 10 times more than Cornelius! Klaas is a better C++ programmer than Cornelius." Correct? I should have used a class lib maybe, as the pro's do ;-)
Now you might say: "Well, that is not happening with the data of course!". Yes, not today, and also not tomorrow. Not while you are on the board. But things like this can change over time, over time data can get a different meaning, in the hand of different people.
Last but not least I would be very afraid about the reputation of openSUSE being a community of friendly people working on free software technologies, a bit nerdy, but technically great and nicely free. That can change quickly, and I remember very well how hard we were fighting the reputation of "(open)SUSE is controlled by Microsoft". It's a great achievement that we do not hear that any more so much. Let's do not endanger that, even thought that might be a bit of a paranoid-european-topic ;-)
All that is an unpleasant topic, we should get away from that again and find a straightforward solution for our problem. Sorry for bringing it actually up to that direction, not so helpful.
This thread go in a direction that sound very close to an old discussion around karma (!! smile to Joss ;-) ) ... (*) by the way (as this thread go in all directions), everybody know now that Joss (community manager) left ... and what about now & the future ? (I asked as he did many articles, news, marketing hackweek etc.) so do we really have to care of "which member does more than another one ?" or "which member is voting or not ?" or which member etc. or ok perhaps we do care, but : is it one of the 5 openSUSE priorities ? does the answers bring more fun ? more contributors ? more concrete results fore openSUSE ? (for example "choose not to vote as a way of voting" ... ok it's great and ? ... what does it bring to the community (espacially when we have only 2 ppl accepting to be elected as a board member) ... we are a community of volonteers (not politics paid to discuss about the future) Michal proposed an option ... just to know which members are away (and no more interested by openSUSE) => who could give an better idea of "how many activ members" means "openSUSE community" ? (as most associations have a kinda financial cotisation to count that ... and we are happy to be able to separate money & member - that's great) I would, for example, ask an optional question in the mail : if you are no more an activ member, do you want to tell us a reason (family, frustration, has chosen another distro ...) ? and of course there are many ppl leaving because they were unsatisfied (it's a big big big challenge to be able to collaborate ... 2, 3, 10 or 200 members) ... I imagine that all of us (members or/and contributors) have a list of frustrations & complains ... so the question from my point of vue, is not to give good points or bad points to members ... but to search how we could go over frustrations to build or rebuild or boost the community ... to create a future, no ? (of course it remind me a white t-shirt I received : "to build a future to which we want to belong") sorry ... no time to reread (sor forgive my english error) have fun ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org