On Monday 04 May 2015 09.27:53 Gerhard Roland wrote:
Hello,
I very much like the idea of closing together opensuse and SLE for a couple of reasons:
* at least from my personal point of view for the last 3 releases of opensuse the stability of the release at its starting point constantly decreased, resulting in of repairing and porting phase that gets longer and long after every release even if your are only using packages offered by SuSE (e.g. have you tried to update from 12.1 or 12.2 over the release steps to 13.2 with owncloud?) * There are a couple of server targets that do not need the full SLES program but simply a rocket solid basis an 1 to 3 progrmans on it /like mail servers) that you either can put on docker or run for small business on metal with an long running distribution. But you do not want to change it every 18 months with an constantly increasing migration effort resulting from the previous point. * SLES has not always been as solid as one might have wanted in all aspect or package; but it took quit a time to repair it. Joined effort might speed up her.
Then what about having a full sles? I mean of course most of our use case, doesn't need to have full 24h support. I a basis entry price is introduced for having sles+update during the next 3 years it would have solve a number of mine at least. Then the market would be clear : enthousiast / private / dev run on openSUSE tumbleweed (if there a team for) a snapshot release can be done once a year for those that prefer pro / stable run on sles (smb/familly pack price) just my 2 cts thoughts
From the last point: I think it essential for this approach to define /the fast way back for patches and drivers (if possible even kernel releases) from the community to SLE/. In that case this approach will immediately pay back to SLE regarding the fact that the components in server hardware nowadays also changes nearly as frequently as in consumer desktops. In ancient times I used packages from the SuSE distrubution for SLES installations when they were not available there...
Given the fact that there is still no solution for opensuse 13.2 to startup a WLAN as system networking instead of user login related (due to the timing issues coming from that insane ideology of systemd that SLES still partly avoids...) there we be many use cases that needs a more stable better tested distribution rather than the newest software.
I can be wrong, but from what I've read is that SLE12 has wicked (the main reason we got it in 13.2) and is fully based on systemd. Don't also get abuse by package version number, they are often low, but with number of patches (sometimes tons of) offer the equivalence of very recent version : like a 3.12 kernel offering all drivers equivalent to 3.16 etc etc.
And yes: I'm running tumbleweed where need the newest kernel. opensuse distribution in the current constatlation is not fast enough for this in any case.
Kind Regards Gerhard Roland
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