On Thursday 05 December 2013 14:57:16 Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 12/05/2013 01:39 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Togan Muftuoglu
wrote: >> "Ancor" == Ancor Gonzalez Sosa
writes: <snip> Yet Another Proposal Mail (YaPM)
Ancor> Would you like openSUSE to be the first distribution with a Ancor> karma-driven development process?
With this bombarding of YaPM's it will be a bad karma at the end. Common be realistic let's sort out the ones in hand then we can have other issues. It looks you guys are just brainstorming and hitting the send key.
Togan
About the avalanche of ideas and they way they are communicated: 1. Yes, these ideas should have been brought to the community during the last 6 months not in 2 weeks. Sorry for that 2. Yes, the way they are brought makes them seem disconnected from earlier thoughts and efforts in these areas. Believe me, that is NOT due to the openSUSE team being disconnected but due to the process and how it is managed. Again, sorry for that.
I fully understand the problems with the approach taken and if I could have avoided it, I would have.
However, we have to deal with it as constructively as possible, I hope you can bear with us on this. As Agustin has said, we will do what we can to summarize and continue the discussions in a way that helps us get to a reasonable outcome.
Look, obviously more and more people are getting tired of the spoon feeding that has created a flood of messages. Produced some good ideas, now doubt, and overall we have mostly stayed on topic, an improvement over past discussions in this direction.
While I do not want to put words in other people's mouth I am getting really close to doing just that. I'd say those that pull the strings just need to get over it, present the agenda that quite obviously exists, preferably in a way that does not hit people over the head, and present it in a clear concise way. If you need help, I am happy to help out. If it continues like this I might just be obliged to throw a wrench into "the plan".
Essentially, we have no more proposals, just conclusions, stuff based on your feedback, perhaps some further explanation. At least, as far as I am aware of course. /J
Later, Robert
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