Bruno Friedmann (bruno@ioda-net.ch) wrote:
Be just assured about one thing, even if a packager has pushed 10000 packages to factory, I will not blindly trust the 10001!
Sure, blind trust is pretty much always a bad idea in software ;-) But surely you would trust that packager more than a newcomer who hadn't pushed any packages yet? In other words, even though you would still not accept their submitreq without a review, surely your review process would benefit in some way from your experience of how competent that person is in the relevant areas? (AFAICS, anyone who answers no to this question is basically saying that they refuse to develop or value any kind of working relationship with any other person, and IMHO that kind of approach will not help us build the kind of community we want.)
And also I would be able to trust a first submission of a newcomer.
Presumably you would still feel the need to review their submission, so what exactly do you mean by "trust" in this sentence?
There's NO difference in contribution.
That seems like a slightly naive view to me, which misses the human element. What *is* a contribution? IMHO it's a lot more than just pressing keys and clicking buttons on a machine which happens to be connected to the internet. It's also very much about the way that the people involved interact. And we want to develop a community where the interactions between any two people increase in value over time, right? And I think that's essentially what a good karma system should embody: person A likes what they see person B doing, they decide to award karma to person B which is a token representing a strengthening bond between those two people. The stronger the bonds in the network, the stronger the community becomes.
The number also doesn't mean quality, nor constant quality of doing.
We all know the dangers of "lies, damn lies, and statistics". It's true that an exact number can't accurately represent many of the things which statistics aim to represent. But does that mean that all statistics are useless or harmful and should not be used? I'm still undecided about whether introducing karma is a good idea. I think the prospect of reproducing the kind of wild success seen in other communities (e.g. the Stack Exchange network) is very exciting, but I share some of the concerns too. However some of the responses I've seen on this list seem more emotional than factual. But then I only just joined the list, so maybe I still need to acclimatise ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org