On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:23:19 Will Stephenson wrote:
Given that 12.2 slipped by 2 months, and the development process for 12.3 is "to be discussed", what schedule are we working on towards 12.3 at the moment?
Every time I've been involved in a project without a schedule, we've had a long period of (probably highly satisfying for developers) of 'undirected hacking' followed by crisis, followed by a rush to 'get it out before people forget who we are' which inevitably had some fallout (I'm thinking of the period leading up to KDE 4.0 here ;).
So I'd like to start the discussion now before we lose a month waiting to discuss it at osc12, where only a fraction of the active members of the project are is going to be present anyway. You don't want everything to be decided by German Engineers* for you do you?
Some ideas to start the ball rolling:
* openSUSE 12.2 original schedule + 8 months = openSUSE 12.2 actual release + 4 months = Do a short cycle and release in March 2013, essentially 12.2 + bugfixes and updates
We already have many changes in Factory, so it's more than 4 months of development.
* openSUSE 12.2 actual release + 8 months = May 2013, business as usual, using a fixed process to solve the problems that caused the 12.2 slip
We've done the 8months cycle with these months so that it rolls perfectly round. If we stay with 8months and go to May it's: May, January, September. And January and September are both bad months for releases since the months before nothing happens.
* Extend the release cycle keeping same process and longer stabilization period (effective 12.2 release process; leads to shipping 'outdated' stuff)
We always tried extending the release cycle - let's fix the problems and not extend it any further.
* Change the process to plan more features in advance (as much as this is realistic given we mostly ship what our upstreams deliver) and work together to achieve these
Independed on the schedule, I think it's a good idea to discuss what features we do for the next release. The systemd discussion on opensuse- factory already lead to this webpage: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Goals_12.3 I'm fine with some more planning and goals. It's not only shipping what upstream delivers but also changing defaults and how to integrate upstream stuff. BUT I see one project that IMO needs to be in the next release - UEFI secure boot. I would make a schedule that allows that one to go in and even slip if it's not in. So the question to Olaf and Vojtech: When do you expect that we have something in openSUSE? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org