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Re: [opensuse-project] Drop the openSUSE project meetings on IRC?
- From: "Rajko M." <rmatov101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:11:57 -0500
- Message-id: <20120311231157.580705f2@linux-zfki>
Warning: long email :)
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:56:57 +0100
Christian Boltz <opensuse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
...
You can alternate during week as much as you want, but there will be
present only few that have flexible daily schedule, or those that
will sacrifice anything to be present, which is not many, as Pascal's
numbers show.
Also, to make meeting successful there must be present all
stakeholders, or at least representatives of them. If you have it in a
wrong time and important people are missing then even those that are
present just waste their time.
I can attend on Saturday and Sunday, but on a workdays
that can be only between 0 and 3 UTC (18 and 21 local time).
That is time I usually spend on IRC, reading emails, browsing, etc, and
there is no other time I can be present.
...
With right organization, like you have to quote 4 lines in a email and
add max another 4 - discussion will be much shorter.
Don't attribute to communication medium people habits and lack of
control.
Also, if you kick out people with OT discussions like you will do on
IRC, that will help to shorten discussion.
IRC is perfect for decision making within team that has common
interest, ability to be present at the same time and need to solve
something fast. For all other use cases IRC is not the most comfortable
way of communication for a world wide community and insisting on IRC is
insisting to keep some people out.
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Regards, Rajko
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:56:57 +0100
Christian Boltz <opensuse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
...
OTOH, we tried alternating meeting times in the past ...
You can alternate during week as much as you want, but there will be
present only few that have flexible daily schedule, or those that
will sacrifice anything to be present, which is not many, as Pascal's
numbers show.
Also, to make meeting successful there must be present all
stakeholders, or at least representatives of them. If you have it in a
wrong time and important people are missing then even those that are
present just waste their time.
So let me ask a questions to the readers of this mailinglist:
If you do _not_ attend the IRC meetings - WHY?
I can attend on Saturday and Sunday, but on a workdays
that can be only between 0 and 3 UTC (18 and 21 local time).
That is time I usually spend on IRC, reading emails, browsing, etc, and
there is no other time I can be present.
...
The IRC meeting has a big advantage: Speed. One hour of IRC meeting
replaces a week of mailinglist discussions.
With right organization, like you have to quote 4 lines in a email and
add max another 4 - discussion will be much shorter.
Additional bonus: IRC has less OT discussions ;-)
Don't attribute to communication medium people habits and lack of
control.
Also, if you kick out people with OT discussions like you will do on
IRC, that will help to shorten discussion.
...
(And yes, this includes not to have a meeting if we have no topics to
discuss.)
IRC is perfect for decision making within team that has common
interest, ability to be present at the same time and need to solve
something fast. For all other use cases IRC is not the most comfortable
way of communication for a world wide community and insisting on IRC is
insisting to keep some people out.
--
Regards, Rajko
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