Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (301 mails)

[Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 2012-02-18 10:50:01 (+0100), Togan Muftuoglu <toganm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 02/18/2012 02:19 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@xxxxxxx> [02-17-12 19:58]:
> > > * If a member doesn't vote for let's say two years the member becomes an 
> > > inactive member.

> > > But on the other hand it also would be worth to think, if this is needed 
> > > at 
> > > all. The only case where it's really relevant is if a quorum needs to be 
> > > met 
> > > for a vote. The only quorum amongst members we have is for a forced 
> > > reelection 
> > > of the board. So this might be more difficult, if there are a lot of 
> > > inactive 
> > > members. This might be or or not be worth the effort to "inactivate" 
> > > members.

> > > But in any case, please keep it simple and inviting.

> > I agree with this with one exception, that voting is not a requirement to
> > be an "active" member.  Activity and ability to contact is necessary.  You
> > are making it mandatory for members to vote and that was not in the
> > original definition, ie: identifies with the guiding principles and
> > contributes.

Yes, but until we come up with a better idea, Cornelius'
proposal is the simplest by far, and simple is definitely good.

> I agree with Patrick's point voting cannot be a must. Think this way if
> you don't vote in the elections do you loose your citizenship no. One
> has a right to vote but to vote or not to vote can not be basis of
> membership

Could someone please give me a few reasons on why they do not
want to vote ?

I have heard this complaint from a handful of people up to now,
but no one gave a single good reason for that, except
comparisons with national citizenship or some interpretation of
what democracy should be.

Could we please not turn it into a philisophical debate (yes,
it's a debate, it is simply not that clear cut as you believe it
is, but I made that point on another thread already) or
analogies that are questionable at best.

So please, enlighten me, I want to understand:

* why do you _not_ want to vote on the opensuse board elections?
* would a "none of the above" vote option be good enough for you?
* would you also _not_ want to vote on a poll/referendum where
  we ask the members to decide on something?
* if so, why ?

I really would like to find out whether we can accomodate
whatever reasons exist against voting and keep a simple process
rather than going into an extremely complicated and bureaucratic
mess, simply because no one has ever explained why they don't
want to vote in the first place.

cheers
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