Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (301 mails)

[Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx>]

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> This is no question of first and second class.  More than 80 lists isn't
> good to a project.  Check how many of these lists had close to no
> traffic in the last three months or half year,  Then you might get the
> direction of my suggestion.

I do agree with you that 80 lists might be not so good for a project,
but this lists should be analysed on a "per se" basis, and I find it
also not good that a project that acts under the umbrella brand
doesn't have a dedicated mailing list because there are already too
much lists (in which many shouldn't even exist).

In other words, your stance bring more harm than good to Evergreen
because others earlier might have taken the wrong decision regarding
to lists. Furthermore... not all need to be signed in all lists, but
the special requirements of Evergreen can easilly justify having it's
own list...  and not having it might reduce the hability that people
have to re-structure and organize the project...

In other words, if you are not part of the solution, you are becoming
a part of the problem.

> Or check a project like Samba.  How are we able to handle it with only
> two lists since so many years?

not my fight.

> And to my negative surprise I've seen we now have a dedicated
> opensuse-arm list too.  This is anything else than good to the project I
> fear.  Cause more and more lists cause more fragmentation of the
> communication.

Denying a list to a project that clearly can take advantage of it is
neither good, despite if you like it or not.

> > > Please count the lists openSUSE already is offering at
> > > lists.openSUSE.org  They had been more than 80 last time I counted them.
> >
> > Between a project that wants to earn it's own lifestream and vitallity
> > and a few defunct lists that are on that webpage, I'm not really sure
> > if you are acting to protect or to harm openSUSE with such claims.
>
> It is to protect and to focus.  Look, I'm not going to subscribe to any
> additional openSUSE list.  I'm already on to many.

Good point... So how are people who want to do things for Evergreen
are going to focus? On a Factory mailing list? on a project mailing
list?

Please show us your solutions on how to coordinate or run a project
without a simple thing like a mailing list... that's something I bet
most of us would be delighted to ear, instead of the traditional "I
dont like this".

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> Well, even for this topic the basic mailing list rules apply.  Why
> should there be any difference?
>
> > Thanks for showing us a bit more on how openSUSE is run by SUSE :)
>
> My opinion has close to nothing to do with the opinion of SUSE.  This is
> my personal view and in this particular case also written in my private
> time.

My personal stance is that it's far more easier to achieve the goal of
Evergreen by forking SLE like CentOS did with Red Hat than go through
all of this crap that leads no where... It's becoming far easier to
work off project than within project.

My .02 cents.

> Thanks,
>
> Lars
> --
> Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ]
> Samba Team
> SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany



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