Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (186 mails)

[Bryen M Yunashko <suserocks@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 09:39 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 15:22 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > On 2011-12-23 15:16, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
> >
> > > But that´s the way FOSS-projects are going. Maybe the will find out that
> > > the majority of users detests GNOME shell and then change it, but as long
> > > as the majority seems to be happy with it, there won´t happen anything.
> > For me, this top down, dictatorial design only serves the purpose of saying
> > "look what good programmers we are", not to serve the users. That's my 
> > feeling.
>
> FALSE.  There is no "dictatorial design".  There just isn't.  Your claim
> is FALSE.  There was *LOTS* of discussion, and commentary, and BLOG
> posts.  There is a mailing list, an IRC channel, etc...  There is no
> "dictatorial design".  It *WAS* discussed and debated and discussed some
> more.  Proof-of-concepts where floated and shot-down, and changed, and
> redone.
>
> *THEN* code was written.  That cannot happen until a choice is made [and
> many Open Source projects die in the design stage due to the inability
> to make choices].  And once the choice is made - it is enshrined in the
> code.
>
> That *YOU* were not a participant or observer of those discussions does
> *NOT* a "dictatorial design" make.  The discussions were open and public
> and many people participated.
>
> That I did not vote for Jimmy Carter for US president in 1977 [when I
> was 5 years old] does not make him a dictator.
>
> > > Let´s wait what the GNOME 2 / 3 forks look like, maybe some frustrated
> > > users will find a new desktop ;-)
> > I hope. And I hope to see them here.
>
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> System & Network Administrator [ LPI & NCLA ]
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> OpenGroupware Developer <http://www.opengroupware.us>
> Adam Tauno Williams

This has become such a boorish discussion.  Everyone seems to want to
position themselves on their given-choice side of the fence and dig
their heels in instead of having any meaningful discussions on how to
close the gap through courtesy, information-sharing and willingness to
concede that the other party has valid points.  

All this amounts to is a lot of wasted bandwidth consumption and
inbox-cleaning.   

I'm not completely happy with GNOME 3, and obviously not everyone is.
I'm happy with the efforts the developers have contributed to GNOME 3,
and obviously a number of people are happy too.

Last I checked, developers were still human and don't have 100% of every
answer to cater to.  People do their best and they come up with a
product that naturally not everyone will embrace.   Tell me what product
out there has 100% adoption/acceptance rates?

There are two things that come up here:

1.  This is a bitchfest about GNOME 3.  Such bitchfests should be
directed at GNOME and not at openSUSE.  Launching tirades at openSUSE or
openSUSE's GNOME Team does not solve anything at all.  Even if they are
to take it to heart, it doesn't mean that openSUSE is the one to make
all the changes to GNOME 3.   Go to GNOME's IRC channels or mailing
lists and make your points there.

2.  There are openSUSE users who are legitimately perplexed by some of
the functionality in GNOME 3.  As we're all supposed to be one big happy
family, let's just take a moment to figure out the best ways to
alleviate that.  We want our users to stay here and we want them to be
happy with what we provide them.  Give them the resources, be friendly
with them.    Belittling a user who simply doesn't know all the
functionalities you know doesn't make you a better person, nor does it
achieve any meaningful purpose.

Bryen M Yunashko


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