Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (205 mails)

[Jos Poortvliet <jos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Friday, November 11, 2011 16:22:59 Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Will Stephenson <wstephenson@xxxxxxx> 
wrote:
> > On Friday 11 Nov 2011 16:00:49 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > Heya all,
> > >
> > > Last year our Product Highlights only talked about what we officially
> > > ship in the OSS repo and on the DVD. This year, I couldn't help but
> > > add a few really cool things we're doing outside of our normal repo's,
> > > including the cloud stacks (OpenStack, OpenNebula and Eucalyptus),
> > > ownCloud and Calligra.
> >
> > Why do you suggest promoting them in the 12.1 Product Highlights?
> >  Surely we can make 2 or more good stories out of this instead of one
> > bloated one that will make TL;DR* reflexes kick in?  Is it really
> > impossible to get people to publish and read openSUSE news items other
> > than the distro release?
> >
> > IMO our OBS projects' output is a second amazing product of the openSUSE
> > project.  To conflate them into 12.1 does not give them the attention
> > they deserve, and it prevents you from talking up the cross-distro
> > packaging features the OBS provides.  You should revise our
> > communications approach instead of shoehorning everything into the
> > highlights.
> >
> > Will
>
> I work on two different kinds of packages.
>
> One is filesystem related (filesystems:ext4dev-snapshots) and the
> packages are extremely tied into kernel. It is only targeting 12.1
> builds, so it makes sense to me to mention it in the 12.1 release
> notes.

In that case, feel free to add it.

> Other packages are typically userspace and target all the supported
> releases (11.3/11.4/12.1)
>
> For those, I agree with Will, I would rather see that promoted via
> another mechanism.
>
> Maybe every month or two a article discussing significant activities
> in the devel projects can be put out.  (I for one avoid the home
> directories of anyone but me.)

Aj picked up writing about what happened at Factory in the last week at some 
point but I haven't seen much. Problem with these things is that the openSUSE 
marketing people simply don't know much technical details so we can't do this. 
We can polish up any braindump or simple list of notes into an article, sure, 
so if anyone is willing to send such things to opensuse-marketing or 
news@xxxxxxxxxxxx or just to me, we'd be happy to pick it up..

So yeah, I don't disagree with Will that there might be better ways to point 
people to these repos. But we won't manage that unless we get some help.

Meanwhile, the 12.1 page has a summary of what's cool and new for those who 
just want a quick peek. IF people click through to the Product Highlights, 
they get on a huge page - the links to OBS repos won't change much as it's a 
fact that anyone with a short attention span wouldn't care about those 
extensive product highlights anyway :D

I bet the vast majority of you won't read them. It's interesting for people 
who have time to read em', the press which wants to pick out something special 
and focus on that and for those who want to know more about a specific thing 
(that's what the index & browser search are for). For all these cases, the 
extra lines with OBS links offer value rather than distraction.

Cheers,
Jos

> Greg