Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 06/15/2011 03:00 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Can someone tell me what the point of the openSUSE community is then?
As a community we come together to work on the distribution, tools, etc. Discussing is not work.
It is a precursor - if we don't discuss and agree on an approach, we have anarchy.
As pointed out by Coolo, the maintainers of a package have ultimate say what gets done. How does it help to have an init system in 12.1 that no one is willing to maintain?
It doesn't help, but it's not a problem either. However, a halfway finished init-system does not help either, but it would be a problem.
This should be treated no differently then any other package.
You don't think a complete change of the init system is just a little more critical than upgrades of kedit or jfsutils?
Following your arguments we should have a gazillion message discussion about what kernel version we should have in 12.1, we should have also had a lengthy discussion about updating glibc, and what about GNOME, maybe we should discuss the use of GNOME 3 until the end of time.
Robert, you haven't been paying attention - we are talking about deliberation, i.e. informing people about pros and cons and whys and hows, encouraging them to voice their concerns and/or opinions. Some of that is slowly beginning now, but the approach has had to be forced and has been completely backward, imho.
I personally was very happy to see a plan put forth for the switch over, rather than being surprised one day that systemd "magically" showed up. The reward for those putting in the effort of doing the work and trying to keep people informed? Messages from naysayers that do not participate in the actual work.
Surely it is a reward that people care enough to speak up. An indifferent community would kill the project.
If you want to influence where things are going, use your fingers to write code, spec files etc. rather than a stream of messages to the ML.
I do too, but I happen to think both are important for the project. There are no doubt lots of openSUSE community members who do not "do the work" - I for one regard their thoughts and opinions to be as important as those of any other member. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org