Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (202 mails)

[Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On 15.06.2011 22:27, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Henne Vogelsang<hvogel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >  wrote:
> > > On 15.06.2011 20:36, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
> > > > Am 15.06.2011 20:05, schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
> > > > > > I thought Coolo had the final say on what went into factory and what
> > > > > > didn't?
> > > > >
> > > > > From
> > > > >
> > > > > http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_development_model#Escalations
> > > > >
> > > > > Maintainer ==>    Devel project maintainers ==>    openSUSE:Release
> > > > > team ==>
> > > > > openSUSE:Board ==>    openSUSE:Members Vote
> > > >
> > > > We are talking about replacing a central piece of the system. So
> > > > Maintainer does not fit
> > >
> > > Both maintainers agree as Jos wrote. No conflict, no escalation. Done :)
> >
> > I personally want to see the change, but I don't like the decision
> > process at this point.
> >
> > And what you wrote is not how I read the escalation policy.  It says
> >
> > "if a conflict arises between maintainers the devel project
> > maintainers decide together".
> >
> > In this case, every package that has a init script is potentially
> > impacted.  All of the maintainers that maintain a init script need to
> > be part of the decision.
>
> Now go back to the first mail in this thread and read it again. This is
> exactly what Frederic tried. He said he wants to do it, he said he has
> support from upstream, he provided all the necessary info for script
> maintainers, he proposed a plan how to do it smoothly, even with keeping an
> exit strategy, he said where and how he would like to discuss this. What
> else do you want?
>
> Henne

I just re-read it.

The presentation is one of decision made, but with the potential
option of a back-out.

It starts with "systemd is coming for next openSUSE (12.1) scheduled next fall."

And then it follows with a roll-out plan.

Again, I don't maintain much of anything for openSUSE, let alone
anything with a init script, so I have no desire to participate in the
decision and will stay quiet on the actual pro/con discussion, but the
lack of public discussion definitely bothers me.  And it is my
impression most of the others talking here are not complaining about
the decision per se, but that a decision that impacts so many projects
appears to have either been make by one developer, or within the walls
of Novell.

Anyway, as a user, I'll learn the new system as needed.

 (fyi: I had to edit a init script on 11.4 yesterday, but it was in
the role of devel, not in the role of user.)

Greg
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