On 06/15/2011 03:00 PM, Per Jessen wrote: <snip>
Can someone tell me what the point of the openSUSE community is then?
As a community we come together to work on the distribution, tools, etc. Discussing is not work.
If we, the community members, are not supposed to (at least try to) exercise our influence on where openSUSE is going and what it is going to be, what's the point of the community?
You, me, and the rest of the community influence the direction of the distribution/project by the work we put into the project. If you do not contribute to a particular (sub)project, such as the initialization system, you cannot expect to influence it's direction. If you want to have a distribution that is influenced by talking, you need to use a commercial distribution and then you can talk to product managers.
If the direction and the contents of openSUSE are being dictated to us anyway, why bother taking part in the community?
You are not taking part in the community, i.e. you are not contributing to the project, you are, in this thread at least, detracting from the effort being put forth by the people working on the initialization system. As pointed out by Coolo, the maintainers of a package have ultimate say what gets done. How does it help to have an init system in 12.1 that no one is willing to maintain? This should be treated no differently then any other package. Following your arguments we should have a gazillion message discussion about what kernel version we should have in 12.1, we should have also had a lengthy discussion about updating glibc, and what about GNOME, maybe we should discuss the use of GNOME 3 until the end of time. That's not how it works. The maintainer of glibc decided that we should move to the next version, did the work and submitted the changes. Same thing will happen with the kernel when the time comes. This process of "do the work -> then submit" also worked for GNOME 3 and this is the way it works for systemd. I personally was very happy to see a plan put forth for the switch over, rather than being surprised one day that systemd "magically" showed up. The reward for those putting in the effort of doing the work and trying to keep people informed? Messages from naysayers that do not participate in the actual work. If you want to influence where things are going, use your fingers to write code, spec files etc. rather than a stream of messages to the ML. Thanks to those doing the work for systemd. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rschweikert@novell.com rschweikert@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org