Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (202 mails)

[Per Jessen <per@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Stephan Kulow wrote:

> Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 schrieb Per Jessen:
> > Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:45 +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
> > > > * Michal Vyskocil <mvyskocil@xxxxxxx> [2011-06-13 14:25]:
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:52:45AM +0200, Guido Berhoerster
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > Anyway, since such a decision has implications for the whole
> > > > distribution and its direction due to the associated costs of
> > > > switchting to it and possibly away from it in the future I would
> > > > expect some deliberation based on technical grounds in public
> > > > _before_ making that decision including an evaluation of the
> > > > alternatives,
> > >
> > > And the implied statement in this statement is that there has not
> > > been
> > > public deliberation.  FACT: there has been, lots of it.  systemd is
> > > a widely discussed topic, there have been articles on LWN, there is
> > > the systemd-for-admins PDF, and there has been no shortage of
> > > related traffic here and on other lists.
> >
> > I haven't seen much discussion of the technical merits of systemd on
> > any of the opensuse lists.  Late last year it was mentioned that it
> > could be tested (I remember trying it out), but that's about it.
>
> It could be tested since then and its availablity was even part of the
> 11.4 announcement.

Right. 

> > > Personally as a desktop/laptop user of openSUSE [and openSUSE is
> > > *the* platform I use] and as a professional LINUX administrator....
> > > systemd is long overdue.  Control of modern systems through a stack
> > > of shell scripts is a dreadful, tedious, and prone-to-failure hack.
> >
> > Despite which it hasn't caused much of an issue here for the last
> > ten-or-so years.
>
> You don't seem to maintain these scripts.

No, I only maintain my own local additions.  Regardless, sysvinit has
not been a problem on any of my systems (local and remote) for ten
years - maybe I'm lucky, but Adam Taunos argument just didnt sound like
a genuine argument for replacing sysvinit.  Don't misunderstand me, I
have no problem with systemd, it seems to work just fine. 


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Per Jessen, Zürich (19.4°C)

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