On 15/05/11 16:33, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
[...] As an example. when Jos {or AJ, or the board, or somebody from Novell/Attachmate} would say: openSUSE becomes a closed linux distro, we don´t need the community, it was a nice time, have fun anyway, I would be the first one who really would make a big drama about it and really becomes unfriendly.
But at this thread, it just does not make any sense to strike back to that, what Jos is doing wrong. You know, when, as an example, Germany would say: "France? It´s just *******", France has two choices:
* begin a war against Germany, maybe they would win land and new resources but they could also lose and get under the government of the Germans * Try to create a dialog, and speak to Germany, maybe they doesn´t mean it so, and it was just a misunderstanding on the french side.
You (and some others) had choosen the first choice. So, know, Jos´ and your country is burned down and you have to rebuild it.
What I want to say is the following: At this point, where you answer with the same unfriendlness and the same unrespectness, I garantee to you, that you will get it back.
Geez, Kim, your comparisons get more and more ridiculous. Please stay on topic, this thread isn't about Germany and war, it's about openSUSE policies and the behaviour of people on this mailing list. As far as I can see, there are several camps: 1) Some have said, an explicit harassment policy is not necessary because the openSUSE guiding principles already cover the situation. 2) Some have said, harassment can't be defined in an objective way, it's subjective, therefore we shouldn't aim to do so and go for a simple and short statement that harassment and anti-social behaviour won't be tolerated and that the organisation team will take appropriate and reasonable measure where necessary. That's also my position. 3) Some have said, harassment can actually be defined in an objective way. They look for a long and explicit statement as it is right now. That's for instance Jos' or Greg's position as far as I can see. There are some variations of these positions, but that's the general overview. Most of the emails in this thread were about various pros and cons of these positions and clarifications. However, deleting paragraphs on the wiki wasn't really allowed, so there was no real chance to make fundamental changes. I strongly object to a community manager saying that he will ignore the majority of the community in the future and only work with a few people, primarily because quite a few went with option 1 or 2 instead of his own option 3 in this thread. And yes, I will use the same "language" and rhetoric as used against me - you should remember that it wasn't me who started the unfriendliness. I think Jos' rant was completely uncalled-for. Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org