Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (280 mails)

[Jim Henderson <hendersj@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:21:15 +0100, Sascha Manns wrote:

> The basic Question from Henne was, why we're making the german
> Newsletter into a new place. The answer is the same like anyone (maybe
> Henne) decided to publish his stuff not in lizards. Anyone can choose
> what is the best for any contribution. In the Newsletter case it is a
> very big plus for open-slx, that i can set as copyrightowner a CC
> License.

But part of this discussion (and the root of it from what I've read) is 
about the opensuse.org site licensing under CC rather than GFDL - and I'd 
agree with Vincent, that if there is a "requirement" to give up your 
rights to content you create (rather than content you consume for 
redistribution, which again, was my read of what this issue was all 
about), then that's something that should be addressed in and of itself.

> In the official Infrastructure i give up my rights to Novell and can't
> choose my prefered License.

So to clarify, are you not asking those who contribute to the 
opensuse.org site to give up their preferred license to be included in 
your edition of OWN?  How is that different?

> The Question about why an new Platform, i don't answer. If you have
> talked with Rupert, then you know the answer. And no more discussion of
> this point is needed.

I raise the point because the issue you raise is part of a bigger issue, 
which is why a separate platform that divides the community rather than 
working with the community and existing infrastructure?

I don't claim to fully understand the issues or even the outcome of my 
own discussions with Rupert (because that is, I think, an ongoing 
discussion).

It seems it would be in both the openSUSE project's best interests and in 
open-slx's best interests to work to unify the community.  There is a 
difference between Henne writing a personal blog and the distribution of 
your newsletter (as I see it) consumes content from opensuse.org sources.

Henne's blog, OTOH, is his own thoughts on things.  That (again in my 
view) is something entirely different from what you're doing with OWN.  
OWN is a representation of something official from the community (an 
aggregation of relevant news).  Henne's blog (as far as I know) isn't 
positioned as such so the two aren't easily equatable.  There's a world 
of difference between someone's personal blog (which the link you 
provided to all appearances seems to me to be) and a newsletter that is 
focused on openSUSE exclusively.

So let's make sure we're not drawing false equivalencies here in order to 
support a point or an idea.

I also have to disagree that no more discussion about the open-slx 
platform is needed - I honestly think this is a serious issue that 
shouldn't be just swept under the rug.  Community cohesion is important 
to the project (or should be), and if the community fragments, then the 
reasons for that fragmentation MUST be understood and -  if possible - be 
addressed.  To my view, saying "no more discussion of this point is 
needed" is effectively trying to sweep the discussion under the rug, 
regardless of the consequences to the community as a whole.

The way you're coming across to me here is that you're unconcerned with 
community fragmentation, and that does concern me as a member of the 
project and as a user of openSUSE.

We're all here with the same goal in mind:  to advance openSUSE.  Let's 
not work at cross-purposes, and make sure we're all working together to 
achieve that goal.

Jim

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