On Thursday, February 10, 2011 14:58:37 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Let me share my personal view on this, though.
It's sad to say, but the amount of stop energy when doing something differently or new does a lot of harm to the project
And everybody agrees with that in general. However this isn't the issue everybody has with this move.
People tell you that they don't like Sascha or anyone else to push things into open-slx.de infrastructure and away from opensuse.org infrastructure. You never once address this specific concern in any way, you simply ignore it. Until you somehow address this issue either with talking about it or doing something about it, you will continue to receive criticisms.
Simple fact, if moving stuff onto opensuse.org is the easiest and most promising way to get things done, we'd probably do it. Unfortunately, it's not, and that's a big problem because it shows that it's not very attractive to build inside openSUSE infra. This kind of discussions is part of the cause for this. If I'm bogged down with endless discussions over anything I want to get done (which I'm afraid is fairly common), I avoid it to get on with my life and concentrate on working with those that show a reasonable ratio of talk vs. do. In this particular case, basic economics suggest that even with the amount of pushback we receive especially from you, way easier to build on infrastructure you do not excert direct control on, than it would be to do things a exactly as you would like. The point really is that doing things differently actually means change in some ways, which often leads to objection. Sometimes that's valuable, sometimes less so, in any event it's normal and to be expected. One good way to find out is to just do it. Sometimes that means to not follow others advice, and that's just fine. If I personally invest time and energy into something, I also earn the right to do it in the way I think is right. I'm not ignoring your concerns, by the way. I listened and came to the conclusion that things will work better differently, and that working and doing things according to the people who contribute more positive energy is a better investment of my time and passion. Call it agree to disagree, but we're at least entitled to the benefit of the doubt -- otherwise you kill off anything which might present an opportunity for the openSUSE community to become an exciting project again, something which the board has not yet succeeded in. If you think that something should be differently, do it differently, but don't try to tell others what they have to do. That's both unrealistic and not how community participation works -- and I'm sure I don't have to tell you that. Good leadership is not about control, it's also providing a common ground for people to build upon, letting things grow by themselves, and handing tools to those that show promise. I'm fully convinced that your (as the openSUSE board) intentions are positive, I'm just experiencing an effect that's the opposite of what's intended. You also need to ask yourself if it's your mandate to play gatekeeper in this way. In my understanding you are overstepping this mandate, but I'm happy to leave this discussion aside, as it's been gone over in great detail when discussing banning a contributor from the openSUSE community not long ago. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org