Hi Kai-Uwe, I won't bother to respond, had the mail been from some others who are interested in only finding faulting with others and whining, and not doing a single useful bit for the community. But I don't remember any trolling from you previously and so believe your intention is real-care. So, I would like to clarify few things to you (and to some helpful contributors like jdd). Please note that I am not talking on behalf of the board members.
into the look files. Gnokii was banned and kicked out of IRC without immediate reasoning. In my eyes thats down bulling on the side of the administrator. Shurely not the only case in the net. But I never saw such before and it took me time to realise what happened.
To give this bizarre situation some shape: Imagine Mr Bush blaming Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton for espionage and jail them with saying there are national security reasons to do so. Bush: We can not reveal. Trust us. The justice answeres: ok, we trust you, national security is the perfect reason. Not nice, but here we go.
Something very similiar happend in this election. Justice and one party in one role. The controlers, as such I understand the work of the election comitee, steps back in this question.
I hope some can understand my concerns now better. At least I saw a sign in Satoru Matsumoto email that this should be corrected in the rules to not repeat in the future. For now its not better.
A person is not banned overnight in a single IRC meeting. The IRC meeting which you refer to (where he was banned) is just the top of the iceberg, moment-of-announcement. But the span of problems age back long before that. Don't think everything was decided in that one IRC meeting alone. There were complaints from multiple people about a person on multiple occasions. He was given enough warnings and some people tried to make things work back again. It is not like, Mr. Bush jailed Mr. Obama overnight in a meeting without giving any chance for explanation. Nobody has any second thoughts about the competence of the removed person. We all respect him for his calibre and skills. We miss his contributions to the project and they are sizeable. I may even contract him for any personal work if I could. But we cannot allow a person to repeatedly cause problems to other members of the community. Your freedom ends where another person's nose begins. I for one, can confirm that people tried to talk to the said person to get things comfortable for everyone. But this has repeatedly ended in failures. I have worked in the affected subteams, and have witnessed some of the problems getting repeated again. Some members of the election commitee also have worked in some of these subteams and were in the IRC channels and witnessed the same. So I suggest you trust the board in this matter and believe that the removal is done without any evil intentions or personal vengeance. I agree that it is highly unfortunate that this has to be done during the time of election. If next time something like this happens (I hope it wont), we have to make sure that the timing of the announcement does not look suspicious in any way. This is the lesson to learn and that's it. Also, Board is not just one person. It has multiple people who are elected by the community. If there was something fishy, atleast one of our elected members would've sensed it and would not have let this decision be made at all. even hypothetically, All of them won't have enmity towards this person. If you still want more data to continue your contributions to the project, you are free to ask the board in private for more information. You will be shared whatever could be shared without affecting anyone's privacy. However, prolonging this public discussion (which has already attracted totally useless Trollers) will only bring the mood of the project down, without any use for anyone. Should we let our curiosity bring down the whole mood ? I guess not. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com P.S:If you people insist on carrying on this discussion, beware that, We will see more developers and real contributors who dont like noise, unsubscribing from the list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org