Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (479 mails)

[Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff@xxxxxxxxx>]

2011/1/21 Administrator <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > > and on the hot subject, could we have a *private* opensuse-members
> > > list? private, that is with closed posting and archives only available
> > > for members.
> > >
> > > If such a list have existed, we could have discussed the present case
> > > completely, without the risk for anybody to have the net unvail the
> > > names and the facts. The board could have explained all the situation.
> > I totally agree with the idea of a members only list,that way we can
> > make discussions and to be sure that the one answering the question or
> > participate in a conversation truly and proven wants the same as
> > everyone else,the evolution of the openSUSE Community.
>
> I think you're just trying to substitute one version of secrecy for another.

To be honest with you at first I wrote you that you are wrong about it
but in second reading of my answer I see your point. I don't mean that
only members care about openSUSE or anything like that. I am just
saying that there are some points, like elections or rules about
membership that there is strictly membership matters and it is maybe
pointless for everybody in the community to participate and especially
some people whose only work here is to creating meaningless fights.(I
am not talking about you)

> You are, at least, acknowledging that some things require confidentiality /
> secrecy.  The question is then what things and who will be admitted to "the
> secret".  You are requesting that you be in the inside group and creating a
> much larger group of secrets.  Neither is necessary.  There is a board to
> whom we have delegated all these messy and difficult decisions (and I'm sure
> it was both messy and difficult).  You trust the board or you don't.  If you
> don't, elect a new board and stand for election yourself.

I think that you confuse things here and maybe you are not the only.
In my opinion it's another thing to trust the board and another thing
to be able to talk about some subjects.
Also trusting and respecting does not mean necessary that you also
agree with their decisions. In a state of partnership you can express
your objections to the board and talk about it all together or in
private,this is up to you. I support that more secrecy is one thing we
don't want. We need transparency but to be transparent to whom?
Everyone? A list like that I think it would help in transparency
inside the community.
 I believe that openSUSE community is a democratic community, if
nowadays this is not perfectly clear to some people it is maybe (under
my opinion,always)because we don't make a proper use of our rights.
The greatness of Democracy is not in doing what most people say,it is
in respecting what fewer people say.
> David
>
> p.s. I'm not a member as I can't guarantee to devote enough of my time to OS
> to justify my membership of this select group. Such a request would
> downvalue the people who can and do.  Membership is a privilege and an
> acknowledgement of status from your peers.
I really hope that you understand what I mean
Kostas Koudaras


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