Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (479 mails)

[Stephan Kleine <bitdealer@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Friday January 14 2011 07:05:37 Helen wrote:
> > It is simply about what the problem is. I don't care about any names but
> > I certainly would be interested to hear what the actual problem is
> > before starting some public discussion on how to avoid that unknown
> > problem since that is somehow missing the point be definition.
> >
> > > My 2 Cents.
> >
> > Mine added.
>
> This is all very well, but again, people's privacy needs to be
> respected: the suggestion of mentioning avatars is absurd as we all
> use both user name/avatar and real name - there is little anonymity in
> openSUSE (transparency, remember?) - and is it really necessary to
> detail the events of a series of interpersonal conflicts on an open
> list? Do you really need to know every detail? Why?
>
> Also bear in mind how much the media loves to jump on an issue and
> turn it into a representation of the project as a whole.
>
> I think we need to show a bit of trust in our board members here.
>
> Part of the success of a free software project is that it needs to be
> fun. We choose to be here. If it's not fun, we can simply walk away
> and do something else. When difficult personalities make the
> evironment unpleasant, we lose people. So yes, for the good of the
> whole project, at some point you have to say 'enough'
>
> As for avoiding the problem in the future, this doesn't require a
> dissection of past events.
>
> It isn't difficult to treat others with respect and courtesy. We are
> only human, and can forgive each other's transgressions, too. So let's
> move forward.

So what? Neither explains that a single bit nor do I agree with you that stuff 
like that should be handled that way (not about someone getting kicked out but 
some strange mail with no questions allowed).

All I merely want to know is WTF all that fuzz is about. Surely some privacy 
should be protected but also one - IMHO - agrees to a certain standard when 
joining which also includes being fine with getting called out on 
"misbehaving". That gets even more interesting if one gets "expelled" from 
"community" and IMHO it is quite fair to ask why that happened. Last but not 
least it is not about "not trusting the board" but simply about handling stuff 
in the open (which again should be fine if one agreed beforehand to join the 
project so it isn't a privacy problem).

If that is too much to ask for then please kick me out as well since I don't 
want to be a part of this.

regards,
Stephan
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