Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (422 mails)

["M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:17:46 +0100, Kim Leyendecker
<kimleyendecker@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > p.s. This is why I feel the whole major.minor numbering scheme for
> > software is broken, and just use 1 number for projects that I was/am in
> > charge of naming (udev, usbutils, etc.)  I think it's worked out much
> > better that way over the long-term.
>
> I disagree with Greg's opinion of the major.minor scheme. I like it
> because it gives you the chance to update the system a year or two after
> the release. How would we do it as the versions are 2010.12.16?
>
> To come back to the topic: I'm for 11.4. It looks more than a evolution
> than a revolution. Maybe we can do 12.0 in September 2011 when Linux
> becomes 20 years?

How does the "synchronization" between openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise
happen? If openSUSE "suddenly" changed from 11.4 to 12.0 for a March 2011
release, what would happen to SUSE Linux Enterprise?

Seems to me 11.4 is pretty solidly established in the "collective
consciousness" anyhow - a numerical identifier change would waste resources
better spent on the product. So I'll vote 11.4 ;-)

> > But there's probably not going to be a "drastic change to the way Linux
> > works" in any near year timeframe ever.  Linux is all about constant
> > little improvements all the time.
>
> I agree 100%.+

Ah, but Linux is also about competing with other kernels, compilers,
libraries, etc. too. In terms of "stuff shipping into peoples' pockets",
there's iOS and two flavors of Linux - Android and Meego, and some "other
stuff" like Symbian. "Stuff shipping on netbooks" includes Windows and
ChromeOS (almost) and Meego (sort of), etc. There may not be "drastic
changes to the way Linux works", but there almost certainly will be
"drastic changes to what people actually buy."
> kind regards
> kdl
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> On 16.12.2010 18:09, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 04:50:41PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
> > > Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > When the roadmap was discussed, I said we would decide on the version
> > > > number when we have a clearer picture about what would make up the
> > > > new version.
> > > >
> > > > So as Milestone5 is on the mirrors and I'm myself preparing for
> > > > christmas holidays, I wonder: what's your oppinion on the version
> > > > number? I myself prefer 11.4, but I have no strong objection against
> > > > 12.0 if this is what the majority wants.
> > > To there is not enough new material in 11.4 to make it a major
release,
> > > so 11.4
> > Well, the original message stated that there had to be:
> >      - drastic changes in user experience during installation or the
> >        way linux works
> >      - drastic changes in the base system that make it much harder
> >        than usual to do live updates.
> >
> > But there's probably not going to be a "drastic change to the way Linux
> > works" in any near year timeframe ever.  Linux is all about constant
> > little improvements all the time.
> >
> > If you go back and look at a distro from 5 years ago, yeah, it looks
> > hugely different, faster, and nicer.  But we aren't doing 5 year
> > releases, we are doing them in months.
> >
> > So I don't think these requirements are _ever_ going to be met in the
> > next 3 years at the very least for openSUSE.
> >
> > So, that means we stick with the 11.X series for a long time?  Or we
> > should redefine what the rules should be :)
> >
> > However, we do have things in 11.4 that seem much "larger" than normal:
> >      - systemd, a major way the boot process works, speeding things
> >        up massively
> >      - all wireless devices supported by open drivers
> >      - major 3d open driver advancements
> >      - large KDE advancements from previous releases
> >      - Tumbleweed providing "rolling" updates
> >      - possible MeeGo(tm) "spin" for netbooks
> >
> > So, given that, I'd say this is as good a time as any to advance the
> > major number.  Otherwise, what specifically is it going to take to move
> > the major number that could possibly happen in the next few years.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > greg k-h
> >
> > p.s. This is why I feel the whole major.minor numbering scheme for
> > software is broken, and just use 1 number for projects that I was/am in
> > charge of naming (udev, usbutils, etc.)  I think it's worked out much
> > better that way over the long-term.
>
>
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> Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@xxxxxxxxxx)
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