Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (422 mails)

[Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday 13 December 2010 08:03:35 Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 13/12/2010 12:00, Rajko M. wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:45:46 am Per Jessen wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > > > "We work in a open way" is reference to whole organization activity
> > > > and results of that activity.
> > > >
> > > > Term "open source project" means that project's source code is
> > > > publicly available to anyone willing to accept license terms and that
> > > > license is accepted as open source license. It doesn't tell anything
> > > > about openness of any other part of the project.
> > >
> > > Exactly - do you think anyone really cares much about the fact that
> > > our "open" is not quite the same as in "open source"?  "open" does not
> > > imply transparent, I think it's a good idea to include transparent.
> >
> > We can split the hare until we get nausea,
>
> For future reference, Rajko, the (English) expression is "splitting
> hairs" :-) . (I know that English is not your first language.)
>
> >   by taking one word out of context
> >
> > and slapping some other word to create perception of different meanings.
> >
> > I used "open way" which as combination of words includes "transparent"
> > and implies more, so adding word transparent in that context is plain
> > redundancy.
>
> But, you know, I cannot help wondering if this whole discussion is a
> "rear-guard" action to promote the declining fortunes of SuSE, now
> openSUSE, and to try and resurrect it to its "past glory" (how many
> posts does this thread consist of? I count 40 at the moment but this is
> after I started to pay attention to it since 9 December......).
>
> Just a comment, not trying to start a flame war.
>
> It's just I do not know of any other distro which is going thru the same
> agonising, hand-wringing , process. That's all.

Actually Fedora is discussing this too.

I also see something different here - first of all, people care, that is good. 
And second, I actually feel we are turning the boat around lately (yes 
butchering a dutch saying here). I think the article in Linux Journal* 
(despite the horrible title) makes this clear - people notice that there is a 
new spirit. Maybe that's mostly marketing, I don't know for sure. But there 
ARE things happening - from the very (VERY!) successful openSUSE conference to 
project Tumbleweed.

So yes, we have had a decline and in some ways we still aren't exactly 
growing. But to me, it feels we've had our worst time and are going somewhere 
now. OBS is being picked up, SUSE Studio attracts growing interest (while not 
an openSUSE project, it reflects positively on us) and we are getting more 
press attention.

*http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/has-novell-deal-hampered-opensuse

> Pax to everyone :-) .

love and have fun, I'd say :D

> BC

Jos