Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (349 mails)

[Sankar P <sankar.curiosity@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Martin Schlander
<martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Onsdag den 4. august 2010 15:55:55 skrev Will Stephenson:
> > On Wednesday 04 August 2010 15:34:12 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > > Also, I've heard last year that changing the installation
> > to make KDE the
> > > default installed desktop would bring us so many KDE
> > developers that help
> > > to  polish the openSUSE KDE desktop.  I'm not seeing
> > that many new faces
>
> I'm not seeing any of the doomsday scenarios coming to life as predicted by
> the GNOME agitators in that debate either >:-)

That is probably because either your vision is clouded by KDE-love or
because you are not seeing the right places. Compare the number of
tweets/blogs on planetgnome for 11.3 release against say 11.1/11.2 .
In my personal observation, the tweets (on openSUSE release etc.) by
people (such as in mono project) have reduced to almost nil, ever
since the default-desktop decision is made. IIRC the number of blog
posts for 11.3 on p.g.o was not more than 2-3 posts whereas it was in
the order of dozens for earlier releases. Some of the GNOME
ambassadors in my part of the world who used to give openSUSE DVDs,
switched to Ubuntu.

> > I have 2 responses to that.  One is that you're
> > probably not looking in the right place.  I grant you that the direct
> > participation of upstream KDE developers in the openSUSE project has been
> > limited.  However, openSUSE has become much more popular within the KDE
> > developers which is indirectly increasing the quality of our desktop.  This
> > strategy has been highly successful in increasing the popularity of
> > openSUSE among KDE /users/ and has decreased prejudice against openSUSE.
>
> Yup, even though things take time, especially rebuilding a tarnished
> reputation, but we already have noticable effects:
> * You see a lot more blogging about openSUSE, openSUSE screenshots etc. on
> planetkde.
> * We have a lot more upstream KDE developers hanging out in #opensuse-kde
> (about doubled or so in 8 months)
> * We have the Plasma Netbook reference project based on openSUSE in OBS
> * And imho we generally have a much more enthusiastic KDE community than we
> did a year ago.
>
> > Secondly,
> > the implementation and communication of 'default desktop selection' was as
> > weak as humany possible (GNOME still first in the list, Zonker and news.o.o
> > backpedalling while making the announcement) to minimise the hurt to our
> > GNOME community while still respecting the strong demand expressed in the
> > FATE feature.  We executed this feature in such a half-hearted way, it's no
> > surprise that it weakened the attraction of the *project* to those the
> > selection was intended to appeal to.
>
> Let me add the livecds on software.opensuse.org and the 11.3 Product
> highlights wiki page to the list.
>
> People have to look really, really hard to discover that KDE was actually made
> the default. In fact, most "evidence" still leads people to believe that GNOME
> is the main desktop in openSUSE.
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