Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (465 mails)

[Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. Juli 2010, 17:27:18 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Am Montag 12 Juli 2010 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Am Montag 12 Juli 2010 schrieb Michael Loeffler:
> > > > > > On Monday 12 July 2010 15:07:18 Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> > > > > > > On 07/12/2010 03:05 PM, Peter Albrecht wrote:
> > > > > > > > Is it really? To me it always has been obvious that the numbering
> > > > > > > > scheme was as Chuck mentioned.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Exactly, but it seems this is going to change now, because we'll be
> > > > > > > having 11.4 and maybe even 11.5 (read email by Michael Loeffler
> > > > > > > above in this thread). If we want to avoid more confusion, we
> > > > > > > really have to document this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fully agreed, it needs documentation. Its better then guessing.
> > > > > > I strongly propose to give the upcoming version the name openSUSE
> > > > > > 11.4 as rushing this makes things more likely worse then they are
> > > > > > and I don't see agreement on any of the discussed version schemes.
> > > > > > I'm oppose to change the scheme to the sake of change but I'm open
> > > > > > to change it to improve it.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, so let's kill this thread: the openSUSE versioning scheme is as
> > > > > is: we have 11.X till we see a reason to jump to 12.0 - from then on
> > > > > we'll have 12.X. This X is increasing every 8 months.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3 months before release of every 11.X we'll discuss on
> > > > > opensuse-factory if the changes in 11.X are worth a 12.0. The board
> > > > > then will decide - this is not exactly a technical decision, it's
> > > > > only a collection of gut feelings that need to be collected. IMO a
> > > > > board's task.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reasons for a 12.0 from my point of view are:
> > > > > - drastic changes in user experience during installation or the way
> > > > > linux works
> > > > > - drastic changes in the base system that make it much harder than
> > > > > usual to do live updates.
> > > > >
> > > > > But again: I wouldn't try to describe the exact algorithm a new major
> > > > > version is picked upon, but make it an open process triggered by a
> > > > > timeline.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings, Stephan
> > > >
> > > > So you want to wait until 3 months before 11.4/12.0 to decide?  That
> > > > seems way too late.  I assume in a month or so we'll have the first
> > > > 11.4/12.0 RC1.  I think it needs to be decided by then for sure.
> > >
> > > Huh? 11.4 is 8 months away pretty much exactly - meaning the 12.0
> > > discussion is 5 months away - pretty much exactly.  The RC1 is _two_
> > > months after _that_, no idea where you get your data from.
> > >
> > > Greetings, Stephan
> >
> > For clarity, your proposing the release major / minor discussion take
> > place 11 months prior to the actual release. right?  (Clearly that's
> > not how I read your proposal).
> I said: 3 months before 11.X release we discuss to rename 11.X  - it was
> you who added the +1 somewhere.

So you are saying:

==
For the next 5 months we call the next release 11.4 and have release
11.4 M1, etc.

Then in Dec. 2010 have a 11.4 v 12.0 discussion on the factory list
about the actual release version number.

And if based on that discussion the board decides to bump the major
number, I guess we jump to 12.0 RC1, RC2 after the milestone series.
==

I just had a very hard time conceptually believing you proposed
bumping the release numbers after the milestone series had started.
(of course, if and only if warranted.)

Greg
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