Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (930 mails)

[Stephan Kleine <bitdealer@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday June 21 2010 21:58:28 DenverD wrote:
> Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> > The intended contributor: coders, documenters, designers, that sort of
> > contributors -- literally *creators*. That exempts forum talkers, unless
> > they can match to the creativity requirement.
>
> do you recognize a distinction between "forum talkers" and "folks
> providing help/guidance/direction to new/needy users"
>
> that is, would you exclude those "forum talkers" who daily *create* an
> environment in which the newest of the new can get a foot hold in a
> new operating system, learn the ropes, progress in understanding and
> technical capability....perhaps to some day (sooner or later) become
> prized contributors?
>
> do you recognize that not a week goes by that the forum does not see
> folks stumble in dazed and confused who are *currently* coders/hackers
> in other systems, or *real* professional artist, documentation
> providers, designers, team managers, system administrators, etc etc etc
>
> here, look at this guy:
> http://forums.opensuse.org/members/techwiz03.html he has been a user
> less than a year, had a rocky and confused start but got the help he
> need and now helps n00bs and brings a RICH background (in another
> system)....which one of the creative contributors on your list could
> have better created this new helper?
>
> is there no service provided "the Community" by those who bring along
> those new potential contributors? are they not at least potentially
> *creating* new contributors from the first day they help a n00b ?
>
> if you compare one "creative contributor" airbrushing a new background
> or one "forum talker" creating a new contributor how do you put one in
> one class, and the a lower unneeded or unimportant class??
>
> DenverD

Since you are asking for it ....

No, I do NOT consider "forum talkers" to have a special status since

1. it is cheap to troll some forums (this counts for users as well as for 
"administrators")
2. bitching on some "forum" and claiming that everyone has to adapt ones style 
so it results in using said "forums" (see those ""they" don't use forums but 
communicate in other ways" threads) cause it is different to $favorite_habit 
of $bitching_person is plain pointless.
3. if said "forum talkers" would contribute in any way they could apply for 
membership and therefore have a vote.

Now, before you go on some rant that obviously all those beloved forum users 
surely contribute in loads of ways please enlighten me why they

1. didn't apply for membership yet?
2. they didn't get accepted?

Now you can surely bitch and moan that the procedure is far too selective 
(which I don't think) but it simply boils down to the point why anyone, who 
does nothing besides "contributing" to some forum should have a say in 
anything that involves, by nature, all the people _contributing_.

IOW:

1. If you contribute, why are you no "member"?
2. Why do you think that you should have any right to "demand" anything or 
merely provide some input albeight you don't contribute anything?
3. Would you also go on the Debian list and tell them they should listen to 
you albeight you are no "member" but a "user"? (please point me to the thread 
so I can have some laughs)
4. Do you know of any better way to differentiate between contributors and 
forum spammers who can't be arsed to put their hands where their mouth is? 
(IOW to contribute - e.g. said KDE3 thread bellow)

Best example why I totally do NOT think anyone should have a right to vote on 
the strategy is that plain retarded KDE3 in those "forums":

http://forums.opensuse.org/community/soapbox/440294-kde-3-a.html

This thread is so full of misinformation, ignorance and outright lies that I 
surely will move somewhere else if the same morons spitting their FUD in said 
thread will have something to say.

Point being: You contribute? Fine, your voice will be respected. You don't? 
Then better start to so people will respect what you say - but until then I 
have no problem ignoring your claims.

So, to sum it up, if you contribute why are you no "member"? And if you are no 
"member", why should anyone care about your feelings since you don't 
contribute in any way anyways?

enlighten me,
Stephan
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