Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (930 mails)

[Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@xxxxxxxxx>]

* Rajko M. <rmatov101@xxxxxxxxxxx> [06-19-10 16:49]:
> On Saturday 19 June 2010 13:34:03 Per Jessen wrote:
> > Your ideas are not bad, they're not just about cultural diversity.  I'd
> > like to discuss them, but this isn't the right thread. 
>
> The list was created with some Asian and African countries in mind where we 
> have to address both ** cultural and economic ** diversity.
>
> I jumped on practical questions without explaining background. 
>
> ==Default desktops are heavy for older hardware==
> LXDE inclusion is partially addressing economic issues, giving light and 
> supported desktop. 
>
> ==Artwork judgment can be a problem==
> We can label "don't like" something that is too colorful for our taste and 
> some other people can find our too simple, not exciting enough. There is a 
> big 
> difference in perception what is modest, or tasteful, in various cultures. 
>
> There is also implicit discrimination when we give comments on another distro 
> artwork. In particular commenting on Ubuntu selection of colors, or 
> associating such colors with some ugly items, is indirect discrimination 
> against people that would like that colors in openSUSE. 
>
> ==Expressing ideas in a written form==
> Is also subject that can lead to unintentional discrimination. 
> We are used to language difficulties, but that is not only difference between 
> people. Majority on northern hemisphere doesn't like too many exclamation 
> marks and some new users can get disgruntled comments about them, without 
> dong 
> anything wrong for their local environment. 
>
> Listing and addressing such issues is priority if we want to have the same 
> appeal to different world regions. 

When do you meet the "point-of-no-return".  Almost any statement of more
than two words can be taken "out of context" or otherwise as distasteful
or abusive or discriminatory by *someone*, *somewhere*.  You may invoke
an atmosphere of "no communication" lest someone tread on someone else's
toes.

We are mostly adults and need to handle ourselves that way.  We intend to
be courteous and helpful but will not always come off that way.  The
simple act of advocating a particular desktop environment steps on the
toes of all of the *other* de's users.  

We must live in a "real world" and realize that someone is always going
to be unhappy with what is said and/or done.  The crux is that of intent,
and w/o deliberate expression of that intent, nearly impossible to define
or identify.  Definitely not a clear as the message sig lines displayed
in the offtopic list.  And the individual argued that case.

I, a long time x-smoker, tremendously dislike being in the presence of
someone who smells of tobacco smoke but refrain from comment.  Should I
comment to him that he has a distasteful odor about him?  Or what about
the individual who's deodorant, or lack of use from cultural preferences,
doesn't do the job.

You are approaching a very deep well!

We must all be intelligent members of a society.

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