Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (930 mails)

[Karsten König <remur@xxxxxxx>]

Argh, noticed you started a seperate thread, which is good =)
Please let that just die here.


Karsten

Am Donnerstag, 10. Juni 2010, 19:52:12 schrieb Karsten König:
> I think your problems might drown in this thread, it's too unspecific and
> widespread, maybe think about adressing these seperatly, as most have been
> already discussed at one point or another I'll try to give an overview.
>
> Also please don't create general multiple issues threads, it's hard to
> track the different points, especially when it touches vastly different
> topics
>
> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juni 2010, 16:48:42 schrieb Anshul Jain:
> > Couple of my observations on how we as a community can make openSUSE
> > better:- (Disclaimer: This is for the normal user and not the expert)
> >
> > 1. Simplify zypper: The whole upgrading procedure where patches and
> > packages are treated separately have to be streamlined. It is a tad
> > confusing for the normal user. Mandriva provides a very elegant and
> > neat way to upgrade the system through their mdkonline applet.
> > Something we should look at as well
>
> I don't even know this patches system, but the zypper guys are very
> responsive, so please ping them on either factory or even better their lst
>
> > 2. Package Management through YaST: The Qt version rocks, but the
> > GNOME version simply is sucks.
>
> Came up often, the gtk and qt guys have different ideas about a good
> interface, just judging one as bad and the other as good won't improve
> either, maybe suggest making it easy to choose (don't know if that's
> possible)
>
> > 3. Better bootsplash experience by using Plymouth
>
> Discussed and mainly discarded by coolo, we try booting as fast as
> possible, even if opensuse isn't really fast here, but work goes into that
> topic
>
> > 4. Simplify the repository structure. There are too many confusing
> > ones, Factory, STABLE, UNSTABLE etc...the KDE guys are working on
> > simplifying it...I guess. GNOME needs simplification.
>
> This is where opensuse lacks imho, mighty obs but the regular user keeps
> butchering his repo list, kde team often tried getting it right and it's
> the next round currently, if you want to start a general initiative feel
> free to do so, but you better be prepared ;-)
> btw, I am speaking out of a kde point of view, I'd be interested in this
> topic in general how the other teams are doing here that also track
> different releases concurrently
>
> > Many mistake Ubuntu to have the best user experience distro....but
> > that tag actually belongs to Mandriva, which still has managed to keep
> > itself alive (I don't know how longer though). Some of their tools are
> > very good like msec (Mandriva Security), menu layout for GNOME and KDE
> > which is unique and very consistent. We could take some cues from
> > there and add the requisite polish on top of it.
>
> I think oS has the best user experience ;-) But I have a lot of respect for
> the polish Mandriva puts in that and I think Mandriva and openSUSE are
> catering for the same user base here.
>
> > I'm sure some of these suggestions will be flamed...but I'd appreciate
> > if this not be taken as criticism, but as suggestions to greater
> > improve the distro that we all like.
>
> Why should you, I dare to say even Trifle Menot didn't get flamed for his
> not very specific topics.
>
> > -Anshul
>
> Cheers!
> Karsten

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