On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Anshul Jain <anshulajain@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Richard Creighton <ricreig@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday 10 June 2010 08:13:03 Trifle Menot wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:58:00 +0200, Oddball <monkey9@iae.nl> wrote:
Trifle Menot schreef:
They also need more polish before release. They treat opensuse as a preview of SLE, and the users of opensuse as lab rats. That attitude produces sloppy releases with too many annoying bugs.
You mean the tight schedule every release is kept on?
A schedule does not guarantee a good release. They push it out the door on schedule, sloppy or not.
They cram in so many changes between releases, they don't have enough time to sort things out. They need to rethink the process, and improve it.
I have tried to refrain from joining this bru-ha-ha but this is the first thing I've really read from you that actually seems to belong in the discussion about PROJECTs and related to strategy that can be effected by the community.
To wit: "They need to rethink the process and improve it."
To some degree, you are correct in your observation that "They cram in so many changes between releases, they don't have enough time to sort things out."
I'm not sure what the biggest problem is: Too many changes, or the bug handling procedures (Bugzilla, et al). I do think this is a valid area of discussion, albeit, not in *THIS* thread, but I do think it should be a PRIMARY point of discussion as strategy for the future is developed.
Richard
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Couple of my observations on how we as a community can make openSUSE better:- (Disclaimer: This is for the normal user and not the expert)
- Simplify zypper: The whole upgrading procedure where patches and packages are treated separately have to be streamlined. It is a tad confusing for the normal user. Mandriva provides a very elegant and neat way to upgrade the system through their mdkonline applet. Something we should look at as well
If you're only talking about distribution upgrade, have you looked at wagon? (The gui tool to do a "zypper dup".) http://en.opensuse.org/Wagon (I wrote most of that by that page, so extra detail / updates appreciated. I for one think there are still too many preliminary steps in those instructions before calling wagon, but as far as I know they are all still required. I would like to see a lot of the prelim steps sucked into Wagon and Wagon become the standard end-user distribution upgrade tool.) It was usable for 11.1 => 11.2 upgrades, but I haven't kept up with changes to it in the last year or so. I hate to say I haven't tried it for 11.2 => factory. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org