Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (930 mails)

[Karsten König <remur@xxxxxxx>]

I think your problems might drown in this thread, it's too unspecific and 
widespread, maybe think about adressing these seperatly, as most have been 
already discussed at one point or another I'll try to give an overview.

Also please don't create general multiple issues threads, it's hard to track 
the different points, especially when it touches vastly different topics 

Am Donnerstag, 10. Juni 2010, 16:48:42 schrieb Anshul Jain:
> Couple of my observations on how we as a community can make openSUSE
> better:- (Disclaimer: This is for the normal user and not the expert)
>
> 1. Simplify zypper: The whole upgrading procedure where patches and
> packages are treated separately have to be streamlined. It is a tad
> confusing for the normal user. Mandriva provides a very elegant and
> neat way to upgrade the system through their mdkonline applet.
> Something we should look at as well

I don't even know this patches system, but the zypper guys are very 
responsive, so please ping them on either factory or even better their lst

> 2. Package Management through YaST: The Qt version rocks, but the
> GNOME version simply is sucks.

Came up often, the gtk and qt guys have different ideas about a good 
interface, just judging one as bad and the other as good won't improve either, 
maybe suggest making it easy to choose (don't know if that's possible)

> 3. Better bootsplash experience by using Plymouth

Discussed and mainly discarded by coolo, we try booting as fast as possible, 
even if opensuse isn't really fast here, but work goes into that topic 

> 4. Simplify the repository structure. There are too many confusing
> ones, Factory, STABLE, UNSTABLE etc...the KDE guys are working on
> simplifying it...I guess. GNOME needs simplification.

This is where opensuse lacks imho, mighty obs but the regular user keeps 
butchering his repo list, kde team often tried getting it right and it's the 
next round currently, if you want to start a general initiative feel free to 
do so, but you better be prepared ;-)
btw, I am speaking out of a kde point of view, I'd be interested in this topic 
in general how the other teams are doing here that also track different 
releases concurrently

> Many mistake Ubuntu to have the best user experience distro....but
> that tag actually belongs to Mandriva, which still has managed to keep
> itself alive (I don't know how longer though). Some of their tools are
> very good like msec (Mandriva Security), menu layout for GNOME and KDE
> which is unique and very consistent. We could take some cues from
> there and add the requisite polish on top of it.

I think oS has the best user experience ;-) But I have a lot of respect for 
the polish Mandriva puts in that and I think Mandriva and openSUSE are 
catering for the same user base here.

> I'm sure some of these suggestions will be flamed...but I'd appreciate
> if this not be taken as criticism, but as suggestions to greater
> improve the distro that we all like.

Why should you, I dare to say even Trifle Menot didn't get flamed for his not 
very specific topics.

> -Anshul



Cheers!
Karsten
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