On Tuesday 08 June 2010 14:21:05 Trifle Menot wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:05:40 +0200, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
openSUSE has evolved from SUSE Linux which was a distribution developed behind the firewall to a project with open mailing lists, bugzilla and wiki now to a real open source project. It's not anymore only Novell/SUSE employees that can do things - everybody in the community can get involved. That includes filing bug reports - like Richard does -, software translation, writing documentation, marketing the project and development. There might need to be some attitude adjustement for Novell developers for many of whom openSUSE is not the first priority and I'm happy to help with that when it gets pointed out to me. The question remains how to grow the openSUSE contributor community so that Richard doesn't need to learn C++ to get a bug fixed ;)
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I hear rumors Novell is for sale. Will opensuse get its own bugzilla independent from Novell? And what else needs to be done for opensuse to gain full independence?
Novell is a public traded company and it received an unfriendly offer for buy- out that was rejected. Let's not speculate what will or could happen but instead look where we want openSUSE to go. * Own bugzilla: Does it make sense to have a separate bugzilla that we need to administrate as part of the project? For me right now the benefits of using the Novell bugzilla outweight the limitations we have. My main concerns with moving bugzillas are: - engineers will hate to have to look into another bugzilla. So, Novell engineers will look first for enterprise bugs into the Novell ones and then later into the openSUSE one. Do we want that? If not, let's first create a webapp or desktop app that allows all of us to have one tool to access different bug tracking tools. - How do we want to authenticate? Stay with ichain or go another route? What do you understand with full independence? The project is run by those people that contribute to it. What is your contribution to make openSUSE succeed? IMO "independend from Novell" is the wrong question. I'd like to see Novell as main sponsor (it hosts lots more than bugzilla in our datacenter, nearly the whole opensuse.org infrastructure) and treated as such - but not as dictator that everybody bows in front of and gets scared by it. So, for me the question is do we want to be a real open source project driven by a community - with Novell employees in that community like everybody else - and how do we manage that? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126