On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 22:05 +0100, Karsten König wrote:
Hmm could you provide links? Threads entitled "Novell for sale," and "Hardware Problem."
I found http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2010-03/msg00435.html , but another mail from the same person seems to indicate its a random quote out of a bunch of quotes he attaches.
How does that alter the case? He could attach random gibberish 99% of the time and it would not make any difference when he decides to insult 1/4 of humankind in the 1% of the cases where he attaches the objected-to quotation.
Have you actually replied to the person yourself that you feel offended?
In the off-topic list, as I said. I'm not so much offended for myself, as I'm concerned that we can ill-afford to start picking on people's religions and cultures if we want this distro to grow. And of course, the Guiding Principles expressly say that we will not do this.
I agree, the quote is distasteful and close minded, but I guess it's a quote he likes and feels like sharing in his mails, it's after the actual mail so just an attachment unspecific to the discussion. Right! It is just meanness, a provocation and a violation of the Guiding Principles.
Most come from a christian and jewish heritage here, so most aren't offended by a statement against islam. I don't think many would be offended by attaching quotes against catholics, or against a stupid former president of the USA, as people tend to have grown a thick skin on lists.
Then I weep for humanity. I'll spare you the quotation from Pastor Martin Niemöller about how they came for all the others before they got around to him.
I agree the quote is offensive towards muslims and should not be used on this open list, but action should be chosen wisely, so cracking down on opinions will not lead to a closed list where people feel they can't express their opinion. Opensuse-en isn't a general opinion list: it has a specific purpose, which is to provide community-based help for openSUSE. Lots of speech isn't permitted there. Speech which is destructive of community and violates the Guiding Principles doesn't belong there.
I for example love this: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." and think it'd be my right to show that point of view in my mails as well, and no this isn't meant to offend anybody.
That's perfectly fine, and I happen to agree with it. I don't think anyone would object to it as a tag line on opensuse-en since it is a mere (if totally irrelevant) short statement of your own beliefs, not a paragraph-long attack (borrowed from a long-dead bigot) on anyone else's religion or culture. I hope you can see the difference. -- N. B. Day 39° 28.3964' North, 119° 48.6346' West, 1403m up Aurelius up 3 days 5:10, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Linux 2.6.31.12-0.1-desktop openSUSE 11.2 (x86_64) Gnome 2.28.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org