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[opensuse-project] Drivers and Responsibility
- From: member greenarrow1 <greenarrow1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:11:46 -0700
- Message-id: <26d2590910040611w5190240csc0780f0f44c854f9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Can anyone direct me to who or if anyone is actually talking with
hardware makers in trying to convince them into creating Linux
hardware drivers? This bit with the FSF and Stlalman about not using
proprietary drivers is really hurting Linux. I would say about 50% of
perople I try to get to convert over to linux main complaints is that
they cannot use to do things they could do on Windows and this does
really matter, As much as we all want open coding there is just way
to many limits and hurts linux from attracting new users. People are
no longer geeks and just do not want programs that they have to do all
sorts of config to get it to work or for the fact there are no
replacements that do the job some proprietary programs do,
Plus the open coding just does not work on certain programs because of
security reasons with certain programs. We would all love coding ones
can work on and of course free software but in some areas this is just
not possible and the fsf needs to realize this. My main complaints I
receive is it is so hard to make the programs work and the explanation
is not for new users but for people who really understand Linux
features which leaves the newbie out. The time ios the command line
is fazing out and GUI;s are the in thing now. No newbie wants to have
to figure dependencies for programsa as they just want them tro work.
Most I know cannot even understand YAST asking al the questions when
they try tonupdate a program and this is realt a big turn off to new
users. Delete this or uninstall this and the big one do not install
this but I get asked isnt this part of the part for the rest of the
programs.I am updating. I know it is a pain but we need to start
developing with all parts being compatible when one updates a major
program without the user having to go through a major 2 or 3 page
error list of dependencies.
As must as I do not like stating this but the Unix/Linux file
management is showing its age and I feel it is time to look into
making changes. We are not longer in the era of 4 or 5 GB hard drives
where space matters Files being scattered all ovr so they support
multiple programs is ancient and it istime to place programs ands
files together. Yes while the Linux pros who have been using it for
years know it all the new user has a very hard time trying to figure
out where everythig is. I found the search mechs for Llinux really
lacking. I actually place a file in an area and 3 search programs in
linux could not even find them We want to built and go but no one
wants to modernize and we are stuck in the Linux world of the 60' and
70;s yet.
Is our mind set so into everything has to be done the geek way that
only the Linux pros understand how it works or do we want iimprove to
where we attract the new users?
-PeterPac
InNetInvestigations-Forensic
SLED/openSUSE
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hardware makers in trying to convince them into creating Linux
hardware drivers? This bit with the FSF and Stlalman about not using
proprietary drivers is really hurting Linux. I would say about 50% of
perople I try to get to convert over to linux main complaints is that
they cannot use to do things they could do on Windows and this does
really matter, As much as we all want open coding there is just way
to many limits and hurts linux from attracting new users. People are
no longer geeks and just do not want programs that they have to do all
sorts of config to get it to work or for the fact there are no
replacements that do the job some proprietary programs do,
Plus the open coding just does not work on certain programs because of
security reasons with certain programs. We would all love coding ones
can work on and of course free software but in some areas this is just
not possible and the fsf needs to realize this. My main complaints I
receive is it is so hard to make the programs work and the explanation
is not for new users but for people who really understand Linux
features which leaves the newbie out. The time ios the command line
is fazing out and GUI;s are the in thing now. No newbie wants to have
to figure dependencies for programsa as they just want them tro work.
Most I know cannot even understand YAST asking al the questions when
they try tonupdate a program and this is realt a big turn off to new
users. Delete this or uninstall this and the big one do not install
this but I get asked isnt this part of the part for the rest of the
programs.I am updating. I know it is a pain but we need to start
developing with all parts being compatible when one updates a major
program without the user having to go through a major 2 or 3 page
error list of dependencies.
As must as I do not like stating this but the Unix/Linux file
management is showing its age and I feel it is time to look into
making changes. We are not longer in the era of 4 or 5 GB hard drives
where space matters Files being scattered all ovr so they support
multiple programs is ancient and it istime to place programs ands
files together. Yes while the Linux pros who have been using it for
years know it all the new user has a very hard time trying to figure
out where everythig is. I found the search mechs for Llinux really
lacking. I actually place a file in an area and 3 search programs in
linux could not even find them We want to built and go but no one
wants to modernize and we are stuck in the Linux world of the 60' and
70;s yet.
Is our mind set so into everything has to be done the geek way that
only the Linux pros understand how it works or do we want iimprove to
where we attract the new users?
-PeterPac
InNetInvestigations-Forensic
SLED/openSUSE
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