Could I add my 3p (that's about 4c) contribution. I get seriously irritated with this whole debate. There seems to be a strong desire amongst some in the KDE & Gnome camps to polarise any discussion involving both DEs, similar to the discussions involving Windows. That, to me, is contrary to the inclusive approach adopted by most of the community. Could I argue for a policy that effort will be put into making as much software as possible compatible (i.e. behave sensibly) on both desktops. I repeatedly find items of linux software which will only behave properly on one or the other, which forces me to run and be familiar with 4 DEs. (The extra ones are windows & Mac OSX). If compatibility was applied consistently, then the choice of DE is an aesthetic one rather than being forced by desired functionality, and the defaults in each environment are just defaults not constraints. Effort put into compatibility is more productive than effort put into division. And that would truly make openSuSE stand out! David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org