This debate seems to have at least 3 separate ideas all being discussed as one. It may be helped by separating the discussions. They seem to be: 1) What presentation would make installation the easiest for people / keep new users in openSuSE / Linux? 2) Is there a bias in openSuSE / Novell for / against KDE and/or Gnome and how does it affect the behaviour of the development community? 3) How to present openSuSE desktop choice best for marketing? The first discussion can be resolved without heat by simple surveys, particularly of new users & people who tried & stopped using openSuSE. The second is a perennial management issue and will never be resolved. The third depends a bit on the first, and is a question for the marketing team to answer in their marketing strategy. David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org