Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (189 mails)

["Rajko M." <rmatov101@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Saturday 03 January 2009 07:37:21 am Eric Springer wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, nordi <nordi@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Or it is simply hidden behind so much other stuff as you wrote yourself.
> > Or related to a feature that is not completed in time to be tested
> > properly. Suse-specific translations come to mind, they are always
> > finished _very_ late in the process so that it is almost impossible to
> > report bugs against missing/incomplete/wrong translations early enough
> > for them to be fixed. Because finding a bug does not mean it gets fixed
> > early enough for GM.
> >
> > My KDM login screen for example is partly in English. Missing
> > translations for KDM are neither a rare nor an insignificant issue. But
> > who reports a few untranslated words when there are many crash-bugs to
> > be reported? Especially since many beta-testers speak English well
> > enough to not even notice.
>
> You're absolutely right, and you picked a great example too. And that
> is the real purpose of testing -- not the typical "Confirming broken
> application is not working for me either" stuff. Once the package
> developers/maintainers believe that it's ready -- then put it in
> factory.

They do just that. If they have no problem, they put it out. 
Though, if you are not sure where bug comes from, software itself, or 
underlaying libraries, then you will publish software anyway, with hope that 
new round will reveal something. 

> I realize this gives packages a shorter testing time, but: people are
> more inclined to report/notice things when it's an anomaly not the
> norm. And there will easily be x2 or x3 the amount of testers ;D
>
>
> Anyway, the whole bug reporting is completely disenchanting. The
> system is far too inefficient, too distributed (across all the
> different distros) and when it's not monitored aggressively it spirals
> out of control. 

It is, as it is. 
When everything will be put under control it will be the same as with 
Microsoft, or any other place with central control. 

That communication should be more efficient, is fact, but how would you 
connect thousands of nodes to make sure that if openSUSE, or Ubuntu, or 
anyone else has bug in its bugzilla, that will be forwarded to project bug 
tracking system? The open source environment is huge, much bigger than any 
existing company, with many disparate bug tracking systems in place. How to 
connect them? 

> I don't even bother filing bug reports to software
> these days, unless it's project that takes it seriously and doesn't
> have a billion confirmed and known bugs. 

That is another problem. No one has unlimited resources, and if you miss 
developers, then you don't fix the bugs. 

> Take opensuse, the last bug I 
> filed (#413806) was in August, one that stops all gtk ocaml programs
> from compiling.  And even though the problem (comment #9) is a simple
> dependency issue, I'm not holding my breath for it to be fixed anytime
> soon.
>
> > Btw, you are not working properly, see bug #441560.  ;-)
>
> Haha. Made me laugh. Nice. :)



-- 
Regards, Rajko
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