Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (328 mails)

[Christian Boltz <opensuse@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello,

on Mittwoch, 24. Dezember 2008, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008, à 14:27 +0100, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
> >  - You need a separate machine so not to disrupt your work. Or you
> > need a separate partition (and remember that the number of
> > partitions is now more limited than they were). There is some
> > danger of what you install in factory partition breaking things in
> > your main partition.
>
> Indeed, I wouldn't recommend to people to use Factory on their work
> machine (unless you work on openSUSE). 

Well, basically I agree, but...

> But people can still do this on some other machine, or in a virtual 
> machine, or as you mention, on a separate partition. We won't get as 
> many users as for a stable release, but that should still be enough.  

If I would follow this advice, there would be less testing (and 
bugreports) from me. I usually don't have enough time to do testing in 
a separate installation separate from my productive work, so my way of 
betatesting is to "just use" the newest beta or RC. Of couse this 
method hits in some (fortunately rare) cases, but IMHO it's the best 
method to do real-life testing *g*

But hey, maybe I'm already counted as "working on openSUSE" with 49 
bugreports against 11.1 and a total of about 765 against the various 
SUSE Linux/openSUSE releases since 9.2. (not counting the AIs I entered 
while IRC meetings) ;-)

> >  - You may be affected by bugs that for you are "blockers" but not
> > for others. I was. I have been a month without being able to run
> > factory at all, because it crashed (reiser and beagle problem
> > reborn!). I had things I wanted to test and have been unable to.
> > Not even now.
>
> That's the hard thing. I don't have a magic solution here :/

My solution is to read the list of most annoying bugs. And not to update 
if I need to have a working system the next day. Even if the update 
usually works: You know Murphy?

> >  - Some testers wait till the RC phase before testing. I myself
> > wait till beta, I don't consider myself hardy enough to test
> > earlier.
>
> Chicken and egg problem :-) If you don't get testers earlier, you
> don't get stability earlier.

I prefer early testing (as in "beta") because this gives me a good 
chance to have most of "my" bugs fixed in the final release. If you 
start with RC, you'll have to live with most of "your" bugs until the 
next release ;-)


Regards,

Christian Boltz
-- 
My Trash Can is also a shortcut for Amarok... I guess the Amarok team
must have had some wild thoughts about the features of their program =)
[Benjamin Bach in opensuse]
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