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Re: [opensuse-project] Development release: How to make it better, And produce an extremely usable "Boxed Release"
  • From: "Rob OpenSuSE" <rob.opensuse.linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:10:04 +0000
  • Message-id: <ce9d8ed60812241010mca3859etf5d3292397f1dae7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2008/12/24 James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 05:13:16 am Vincent Untz wrote:

We need to get the idea out there that, the community aka bleeding edge
versions are just that, and that the x.3's are what Novell is considering as
SLE replacement's. (Make public references to SLED which could even drive
SLED sales) This tells the average "Joe Plumber" that if He downloaded or
purchased x.3, He's getting some really well "polished" stuff and he gets 24
months of updates which takes him to the next SLE /_*candidate*_/(never
committing to an inevitable SLE status), He says "That is some cool stuff.
Enterprise quality software at bargain pricing."

This is the kind of reputation Ubuntu is building. example: My brother (MCSE)
was so sick of Windows he bought a MAC, he asked me
what I would do with his old PC hardware. I said "I would build an openSUSE
server for music and videos and put a copy on the laptop too" He decided to
try it out. openSUSE 10.3 , would not load on his Toshiba laptop. He
installed Ubuntu then called me and said "Hey, I couldn't get that stuff you
suggested to boot after install, but, I found this Ubuntu distro and it did.
A few weeks later he said, "I wanted more multimedia stuff so I installed
Linux Mint, man this Ubuntu stuff is cool. what do you think of MythBuntu?"
Imagine my heartbreak. Now I know with a few minutes on the phone I probably
could have gotten him running, but, he isn't that weak of a computer guy so
He just Googled his way onto Ubuntu.

Yep, but someone's made a good suggestion. To have a solid kernel
from previous release available as a fall back, for the installer.
Then a booting kernel might be available from update, and the older
installed kernel could be put on to, as the "Fall back" in that case.

Ubuntu has weaknesses, it drove me crazy, but the large user base,
means that it attracts spins and software developed for it, making it
appear to "just work" for many users.

Are ppl installing 8.04.1 (LTS) now, in general I think not, and fit
pc who ship with Ubuntu pre-installed move to new release, despite
it's shorter support cycle.


I don't think ppl will install a release that offers :

kernel 3 or 4 versions out of date
KDE/GNOME that is 1 or 2 versions out of date

I know it's sad, but I just don't think a community distro can spend 9
months doing purely stability and integration testing.

Most ppl who run Debian on desktop end up with "unstable", at least
from what I've seen at LUGs, because new shiny things, that need newer
release are just too hard to resist.

Having interim, short term throw away releases, ppl can use online
update to leave behind, don't suffer from the staleness factor.
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