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Re: [opensuse-project] IRC etiquette
- From: Francis Earl <francis.earl@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:31:51 -0700
- Message-id: <200806111531.51413.francis.earl@xxxxxxxxx>
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 1:52:31 Benji Weber wrote:
2008/6/11 Francis Earl <francis.earl@xxxxxxxxx>:
I have been in the IRC channel on freenode now for a few days, and I am
I reviewed the logs of the last incident when you were kicked, and it
seems justified to me.
Ok, and you'll note I said "no harm no foul"... if you'll read the rest of
this thread, you'll see that's not all I am complaining about, in fact I've
gone out of my way to try not to discuss it.
Your behaviour was contributing to exactly the
kind of channel atmosphere that you complain exists in #suse.
suspect this is message is just motivated by anger at being kicked. If
you have a problem with a particular op, you can always take it up
with one of the others.
No, check those same logs for samba and symphony statements made by the same
op. I could drag out my complete logs and edit them to highlight such behavior
that is entirely unrelated, but I have already invited anyone to simply
witness it for themselves.
The ops cannot watch every single line ever said on the
channel, though the number of ops is increased as trustworthy people
are identified, to improve coverage. The overall atmosphere can be
improved by anyone who joins the channel.
My specific complaints relate directly to ops behavior though, that can
certainly be controlled. Ops should know they have more responsibility than
most to ensure a certain level of respect is maintained between users of the
I have used Linux for almost 10 years, people all over IRC talk bad about
#debian, but they are not even half as bad as #opensuse. I would suggest
contacting FreeNode and having #opensuse and #suse separated and started
again, it's really appalling.
#opensuse was separate initially but forwarded once the distribution
name changed to openSUSE. What the channel is called is irrelevant,
the channel atmosphere is defined by those who are active at any time.
This is something everyone can contribute to improving.
I disagree, as I stated elsewhere, I believe prolonged atmosphere is the
responsibility of the ops in charge of the channel. You agree it could be
better, but don't make this tie apparently.
I did address some of these common complaints a while ago. Please read
Will do, thank you.
The IRC rules which will be upheld by the ops are available at
http://suse-irc.org/rules.html , there are also the openSUSE guiding
principles http://en.opensuse.org/Guiding_Principles . If an op's
behaviour is against the spirit of either of these then that can be
addressed. However, I do not see that is the case here.
You are singling in on one incident because you seem to believe I take things
overly serious on the internet. This thread is about overall observations, not
about specific ops that should be reconsidered. If you'd like me to discuss
that more specifically, I can start a new thread.
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