Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (82 mails)

[Francis Earl <francis.earl@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday 11 June 2008 1:52:31 Benji Weber wrote:
> 2008/6/11 Francis Earl <francis.earl@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > I have been in the IRC channel on freenode now for a few days, and I am
> > utterly appalled.
>
> I reviewed the logs of the last incident when you were kicked, and it
> seems justified to me. 

Ok, and you'll note I said "no harm no foul"... if you'll read the rest of 
this thread, you'll see that's not all I am complaining about, in fact I've 
gone out of my way to try not to discuss it.

> Your behaviour was contributing to exactly the
> kind of channel atmosphere that you complain exists in #suse.

Ok.

> I
> suspect this is message is just motivated by anger at being kicked. If
> you have a problem with a particular op, you can always take it up
> with one of the others.

No, check those same logs for samba and symphony statements made by the same 
op. I could drag out my complete logs and edit them to highlight such behavior 
that is entirely unrelated, but I have already invited anyone to simply 
witness it for themselves.

> The ops cannot watch every single line ever said on the
> channel, though the number of ops is increased as trustworthy people
> are identified, to improve coverage. The overall atmosphere can be
> improved by anyone who joins the channel.

My specific complaints relate directly to ops behavior though, that can 
certainly be controlled. Ops should know they have more responsibility than 
most to ensure a certain level of respect is maintained between users of the 
channel.

> > I have used Linux for almost 10 years, people all over IRC talk bad about
> > #debian, but they are not even half as bad as #opensuse. I would suggest
> > contacting FreeNode and having #opensuse and #suse separated and started
> > again, it's really appalling.
>
> #opensuse was separate initially but forwarded once the distribution
> name changed to openSUSE. What the channel is called is irrelevant,
> the channel atmosphere is defined by those who are active at any time.
> This is something everyone can contribute to improving.

I disagree, as I stated elsewhere, I believe prolonged atmosphere is the 
responsibility of the ops in charge of the channel. You agree it could be 
better, but don't make this tie apparently.

> I did address some of these common complaints a while ago. Please read
> http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/bweber/entry/opensuse_irc_call/

Will do, thank you.

> The IRC rules which will be upheld by the ops are available at
> http://suse-irc.org/rules.html , there are also the openSUSE guiding
> principles http://en.opensuse.org/Guiding_Principles . If an op's
> behaviour is against the spirit of either of these then that can be
> addressed. However, I do not see that is the case here.

You are singling in on one incident because you seem to believe I take things 
overly serious on the internet. This thread is about overall observations, not 
about specific ops that should be reconsidered. If you'd like me to discuss 
that more specifically, I can start a new thread.
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