Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (61 mails)

[Kevin Dupuy <kevindupuy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 23:14 -0700, Stephen Shaw wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 23:45 +0100, Martin Schlander wrote:
> > Den Thursday 17 January 2008 22:31:29 skrev Federico Mena Quintero:
> > > GNOME has a very simple Code of Conduct [2], which is based on Ubuntu's.
> > > It can be summarized in four points:
> > >
> > >   * Be respectful and considerate.
> > >           (About avoiding personal attacks or poor behavior due
> > >           to disagreement)
> > >
> > >   * Be patient and generous.
> > >           (About understanding that people ask for help because
> > >           they need it, and avoiding "RTFM" answers)
> > >
> > >   * Assume people mean well.
> > >           (About avoiding knee-jerk responses when you disagree
> > >           with something)
> > >
> > >   * Try to be concise.
> > >           (About avoiding repetition of topics and off-topic
> > >           discussions)
> > >
> > > We would like to propose that openSUSE adopt the same principles for
> > > its Code of Conduct.  I don't foresee any need to have a "police" for
> > > this; when something goes out ofhand, we can simply discuss cases of
> > > repeated offences and take the appropriate action.  The Board can
> > > certainly help with this.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > I think those points will only ever apply to the regulars, the active and 
> > knowledgable users who spend their free time doing support. 
> >
> > While I agree that people needing help should be treated decent. There 
> > should 
> > also be some demands and responsibilities directed at the new users. That 
> > they should ask precise polite questions, provided needed information, put 
> > some effort in their posts, be thankful for any help they get, refrain from 
> > bashing openSUSE if they happen to have a problem of some sort etc. Usually 
> > the people that are assaulted really have been asking for it for a while... 
> >
> > Apart from the Guidelines we also have our netiquette btw.:
> > http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette
> >
> > And the IRC-channel has these rules too:
> > http://suse-irc.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21
> >
> > The problem is not lack of rules. And it's not only the active people that 
> > get 
> > a little harsh from time to time that's the problem either, the people that 
> > ask the questions that are lazy, whiney, demanding and ungrateful are also 
> > part of the problem.
> >
> > I suggest to add another item.
> >
> >     * If you're lazy, whiney, demanding, disrespectful towards openSUSE or 
> > GNU/Linux in general, or ungrateful or ignore the answers you have indeed 
> > gotten, aka. druid is allowed to call you whatever names he damn pleases.
> >
> > We should not only protect the n00bs, but also the activists and the l33t 
> > gurus.
> >
> > [Disclaimer: I don't read opensuse@xxx, but I hang out in IRC and elsewhere 
> > in 
> > the community, and assume the issues are the same as everywhere]
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> There is the side that many aren't getting paid.  So should they have to
> put up with the "lazy, whiney, 
> demanding, disrespectful towards openSUSE or  GNU/Linux in general, or
> ungrateful or ignore the answers 
> you have indeed gotten"?
>
> Everyone could be a little nicer, I guess.
>
> On the other hand, we could just boot those that start causing grief.
> That way we can be nice to everyone
> that's left in the channel. :)
>
> Stephen
>
>
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I'm not on the IRC a lot, but I am on the mailinglist and more often
than not, the disrespectful ones are the long time users (Or, more
properly, those who are not asking the question, but the answerers.) I
rarely come across a disrespectful OP.
-- 
Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Email: <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Happy New Year from Yo.media!

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